lukav je napisal(a):

 
vakcine in 9/11, vidim, da kupiš vsako zaroto, ki ti jo ponudijo :)

 
Tisti ,ki je bral orwela 1984 še pred dvajesetimi leti se mu je zdel sf.

Danes sigurno ne več.

Kamere na vsakem koraku,američani so lani uvedli obvezne i.d. z čipom
katerega lahko satelitko sledijo(britanci uvajajo),novi pasoši bodo imeli tudi ta čip.
Da ne govorim od kontrole preko telefonov,računalnikov,kreditnih kartic.....

Ko nam začnejo omejevat internet se bodo zadeve drastično poostrile(zelo kmalu).


O čipu bi pa samo dodal ta link ,ki veliko pove

http://www.youtube.c...034R3yzDhw< /a>

P.s. Ovca bo zmeraj OVCA ,katera  si brez pastirja še rit ne zna obrisat
in to je 95 % prebivalsva

riddicules je napisal(a):
Tudi mene vedno znova preseneča, koliko ljudi še naseda uradnim resnicam s strani Amreiške vlade :S Da ne bom dolgovezil, preden ovržete vse "teorije zarote", kot jih slabšalno radi imenujete, se malce informirajte - internet menda imate, knjižnjico tudi (da, televizija ni edino sredstvo informiranja)...na to polemiko je zapisanega in posnetega na stotine del (bodisi dokumentarcev, knjig, nekateri izmed njih so zelo dobri in natančno korak po koraku opredeljuje probleme uradne verzije...) in menim, da je zelo pomembno, da si vsak vsaj malce pogleda indice in dokaze, ki govorijo kontra uradni verziji ;) če začnete sedaj s pregledovanjem ali drugače rečeno informiranjem, ne boste končali do novega leta...in v tem času boste dobili popolnoma drugačen pogled na svet. In potem boste, kljub temu, da boste sedaj videli preko laži, zanikali možnosti takšnih zarot, saj so prekrute da bi bile resnične! Takrat pa je čas za zgodovinske knjige...tak sistem dela ni nič novega, edina razlika je, da smo tokrat prej izvedeli za to - zaradi svobode, ki jo omogoča internet in svoboda govora! Zato se zadržite, preden obsojate ljudi z drugačnim mnenjem, ter se raji sami prepričajte v trdnost temeljev svoje teorije o tem dogodku. Jst svojo imam in lahko izrečem pohvale avtorju, da je javno zapisal to, kar mnogi vedo (vemo) a si ne upajo povedati ! Bravo! lp ž

 
Upajo povedati? Kaj pa si je potrebno upati tukaj? Vsak bebec sme in lahko na internetu objavi kakršnokoli kozlarijo in če bo dovolj spreten, da nebuloze spravi v gledljiv filmič, kot na primer Zeitgeist, je uspeh zagotovljen.

Danes po internetnem morju pluje ladja norcev, ki se ji reče teoretičarji zarot. Posadka je sestavljena iz gurujev, ki zarote fabricirajo in tisočerih neukih in logičnega sklepanja nesposobnih bralcev, ki jim nasedajo in se vkrcavajo na to ladjo. Plujejo naokoli in si iščejo pristanišča, kjer bi ta svoj tovor, to svojo resnico odvrgli, ta trenutek to govno požirajo nesrečne Finance.

Domišljija pravljičarjev je neizčrpna. In imbecilnost sledilcev neizmerna.

dob je napisal(a):

Nobenih dokazov ni, da so se sami zazidali, potem pa s krampi med sabo pobili.
Bolj verjetno je (in tudi bolj logično) da so se najprej pobili in šele nato zazidali.

 V resnici so vsi točno vedeli, kdo jih je pobijal in vodil akcijo, še leta je parodiral po Laškem in niti en las se mu ni skrivil.

gogi1 je napisal(a):

 
Upajo povedati? Kaj pa si je potrebno upati tukaj? Vsak bebec sme in lahko na internetu objavi kakršnokoli kozlarijo in če bo dovolj spreten, da nebuloze spravi v gledljiv filmič, kot na primer Zeitgeist, je uspeh zagotovljen.

Danes po internetnem morju pluje ladja norcev, ki se ji reče teoretičarji zarot. Posadka je sestavljena iz gurujev, ki zarote fabricirajo in tisočerih neukih in logičnega sklepanja nesposobnih bralcev, ki jim nasedajo in se vkrcavajo na to ladjo. Plujejo naokoli in si iščejo pristanišča, kjer bi ta svoj tovor, to svojo resnico odvrgli, ta trenutek to govno požirajo nesrečne Finance.

Domišljija pravljičarjev je neizčrpna. In imbecilnost sledilcev neizmerna.

 
Mene pa presenečajo sistemsko zadrti bedaki, ki so slepi za vse dokaze in se ne premaknejo v svojem uprogramiranem mišljenju niti za milimeter. Imbecilnost sistemskih slepcev je veliko večja od "teoretikov zarot". Bebo kar pripravi se za velike spremembe, ko boš krožil po sobi kot podlasica, ki išče izhod iz pasti. Status quo opranih šolancev, ki so nekje na sredini piramide je razumljiva, ker nimajo vpogleda delovanja svetovnih elit. Šov program nasmejanih debilnih svetovnih politikov, multinacionalk - njihovih maloštevilnih lastnikov, ter okostenele mainstreamovske intelektualne elite je pač prevladujoč in ljudje, ki ne znajo razmišljati izven ustaljenih norm, temu šovu slepo sledijo...v klavnico. Obeta se nam energetska revolucija, samo vprašanje časa kdaj. Kar se pa "malih zelenih" tiče, so po mojem mnenju retardirani in slepi za dejstva tisti, ki mislijo da smo v vesolju sami. V "New age" gibanju je veliko ljudi, ki so veliko bolje izobraženi od vseh pametnjakovičev, ki pišejo na dotičnem forumu, njihovi dosežki so v primerjavi z zabetoniranimi glavami nepremerljivi. Razno razni "dohtarji" in ostala ignorantska akademska srenja, ki komentira pač nima dosega, saj pač nimajo dostopa do pravih informacij, zato ker jih večina deluje v Butalistanu ali pa majhnih privat podjetjih. Samo NASA, ki sploh ni vrh intelektualne elite ima več doktorjev kot jih je na celem Balkanu, pa tudi večina njih nima vpogleda v širšo sliko. Zato prosim, da predem žalite ljudi, ki razmišljajo izven malomeščanskih okvirov, se rajši pozanimajte kdo so ljudje, ki se ukvarjajo s "teorijami zarot" in kje so se šolali in kaj vse so dosegli v svojih življenjih...

dani14 je napisal(a):

 V resnici so vsi točno vedeli, kdo jih je pobijal in vodil akcijo, še leta je parodiral po Laškem in niti en las se mu ni skrivil.

 "Ve se", "Vsi to vemo" ipd niti približno ni dovolj dober dokaz za sodišče, "Vsi so točno vedeli" pa še manj.

 No, ampak pri komunističnih zločinih prava pravna država lahko najde krivca tudi brez dokazov, knede? Ali pa useka s kako kolektivno krivdo.

gogi1 je napisal(a):

 
 Gre bolj za trajno imbecilnost in pohabljenost, ki bi si zaslužilia daljši in temeljitejši tretma v kakšni za to specializirani ustanovi. Če takih oddelkov v našem zdravstvu nimamo, bi bilo dobro razmisliti o njih ustanovitvi, da se pomaga pomoči potrebnim.

 Psihologi (tako roftarski kot šolani) in psihiatri se že od samega začetka prostituirate avtoritarni oblasti. Katerikoli in kakršnikoli, samo da je avtoritarna. Čigava kuzla si ti?

Psych Assault—...ric System

Vsak z osnovnim znanjem angleščine naj si vzame 5 minut:

Highly-Credible People
Question 9/11
The following people question the government's version of 9/11, or the government's openness in providing information about the September 11 attacks.

9/11 COMMISSIONERS

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation".

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest".
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
CONGRESS
According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, a U.S. government informant was the landlord to two of the hijackers for over a year (but the White House refused to let the 9/11 inquiry interview him).
Current U.S. Senator (Patrick Leahy) states "The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?"

Current Republican Congressman (Ron Paul) calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"

Current Democratic Congressman (Dennis Kucinich) hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11

Former Democratic Senator (Mike Gravel) states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11

Former Republican Senator (Lincoln Chaffee) endorses a new 9/11 investigation

Former U.S. Democratic Congressman (Dan Hamburg) says that the U.S. government "assisted" in the 9/11 attacks, stating that "I think there was a lot of help from the inside"
Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee (Curt Weldon) has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
MILITARY LEADERS

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt" (bio)

Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that 9/11 was an inside job. He also said:
"If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an old interceptor pilot—I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were, and I know what they’ve changed them to—if our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason!"
U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:

"there is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ... Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a 'conspiracy Theory' does not change the truth. It seems, 'Something is rotten in the State.' "
President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a member of a group which doubts the government's version of 9/11

U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time."

Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official (Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski) finds various aspects of 9/11 suspicious

Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve Butler) said "Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism."

Two-Star general (Major General Albert Stubbelbine) questions the attack on the Pentagon

U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) said the following:

"I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government ....

Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!"
U.S. Marine Corps lieutenant colonel, a fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown and a 21-year Marine Corps career (Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford) believes that 9/11 was an inside job, and said:

"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...

Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.

If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ....

Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ..."

U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot (Commander Ralph Kolstad) who questions the official account of 9/11 and is calling for a new investigation, says "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story".

The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility

Additionally, numerous military leaders from allied governments have questioned 9/11, such as:

Canadian Minister of Defense, the top military leader of Canada (Paul Hellyer)

Assistant German Defense Minister (Andreas Von Bulow)

Commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy (Anatoli Kornukov)

Chief of staff of the Russian armed forces (General Leonid Ivashov)

INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS

Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.

A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.

A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... All three [buildings that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11." (and see this).

20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) stated that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006).

A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that"the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job .

The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup."

Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army) questions the government's version of the events of 9/11.

The head of all U.S. intelligence, the Director of National Intelligence (Mike McConnel) said "9/11 should have and could have been prevented"

A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored).

SCIENTISTS

A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed "does not match the available facts" and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition

A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America's highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:
"I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken."
The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable."

The principal electrical engineer for the entire World Trade Center complex, who was "very familiar with the structures and [the Twin Towers'] conceptual design parameters" (Richard F. Humenn), stated that "the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel . . . . the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down."
Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain A. Deets) says:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Centers on 9/11].''
A prominent physicist, former U.S. professor of physics from a top university, and a former principal investigator for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects (Dr. Steven E. Jones) stated that the world trade centers were brought down by controlled demolition

A U.S. physics professor who teaches at several universities (Dr. Crockett Grabbe) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition

An expert on demolition (Bent Lund) said that the trade centers were brought down with explosives (in Danish)
A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded

A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority (Dr. Heikki Kurttila) stated regarding WTC 7 that "The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."
A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university, with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member (Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn), is calling for a new investigation of 9/11
A Danish professor of chemistry (Dr. Niels Harrit) said, in a mainstream Danish newspaper, "WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building would have fallen in that direction. You don't have to be a woodcutter to grasp this" (translated)
A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers "were brought down by planted explosives."

A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the Northern California - Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward S. Munyak) believes that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition.
The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , does not believe the official story, and believes that there is a prima facie case for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center.

A professor of mathematics (Gary Welz) said "The official explanation that I've heard doesn't make sense because it doesn't explain why I heard and felt an explosion before the South Tower fell and why the concrete was pulverized"

STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California

Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia

Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado

David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California

Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona

David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)

Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage) disputes the claim that fire and airplane damage brought down the World Trade Centers and believes there is strong evidence of controlled demolition (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed here)

LEGAL SCHOLARS

Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Former Inspector General, U.S. Department of Transportation; former Professor of Aviation, Dept. of Aerospace Engineering and Aviation and Professor of Public Policy, Ohio State University (Mary Schiavo) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign; a leading practitioner and advocate of international law; responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention; served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court, with a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University (Dr. Francis Boyle) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Former prosecutor in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby Kennedy’s anti-corruption task force; former assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois (J. Terrence "Terry" Brunner) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Professor Emeritus, International Law, Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton University; in 2001 served on the three-person UN Commission on Human Rights for the Palestine Territories, and previously, on the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (Richard Falk) questions the government's version of 9/11., and asks whether the Neocons were behind 9/11.

Bessie Dutton Murray Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and Director, Center for Human Rights, University of Iowa; Fellow, World Academy of Art and Science. Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American Journal of International Law (Burns H. Weston) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Former president of the National Lawyers Guild (C. Peter Erlinder), who signed a petition calling for a real investigation into 9/11. And see petition.

Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University; associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents; Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations; former Federal Sky Marshall; 27-year U.S. Customs career (Mark Conrad) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Professor of Law, University of Freiburg; former Minister of Justice of West Germany (Horst Ehmke) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy; former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer; author of several books on law and political theory (Dr. William G. Weaver) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Famed trial attorney (Gerry Spence) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Former Instructor of Criminal Trial Practice, Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California at Berkeley 11-year teaching career. Retired Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year career (William Veale) said:

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."
FAMILY MEMBERS AND HEROIC FIRST RESPONDERS

A common criticism of those who question 9/11 is that they are being "disrespectful to the victims and their families".

However, half of the victim's families believe that 9/11 was an inside job (according to the head of the largest 9/11 family group, Bill Doyle) (and listen to this interview). Many family and friends of victims not only support the search for 9/11 truth, but they demand it (please ignore the partisan tone). See also this interview.

Indeed, it has now become so clear that the 9/11 Commission was a whitewash that the same 9/11 widows who called for the creation of the 9/11 Commission are now demanding a NEW investigation (see also this video).

And dying heroes, soon-to-be victims themselves, the first responders who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers and that a real investigation is necessary.

PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS

Finally, those who attack people who question the government's version of 9/11 as "crazy" may wish to review the list of mental health professionals who have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false:

Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD

Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz

Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD

Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Barry R. Komisaruk

Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward

Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino

Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther

Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner

Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor

Retired Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris

Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech

Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser

THOUSANDS OF OTHERS

The roster above is only a sample. There are too many Ph.D. scientists and engineers, architects, military and intelligence officials, politicians, legal scholars and other highly-credible people who question 9/11 -- literally thousands -- to list in one place. Here are a few additional people to consider:

The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission

Former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and who handled two actual hijackings (Robin Hordon) says that 9/11 could not have occurred as the government says, and that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off (also, listen to this interview)

Perhaps "the premiere collapse expert in the country", who 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer referred to as a "very, very respected expert on building collapse", the head of the New York Fire Department's Special Operations Command and the most highly decorated firefighter in its NYFD history, who had previously "commanded rescue operations at many difficult and complex disasters, including the Oklahoma City Bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, and many natural disasters worldwide" thought that the collapse of the South Tower was caused by bombs, because the collapse of the building was too even to have been caused by anything else (pages 5-6).

Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11

Former FBI agent (Robert Wright) says "The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred."
Former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription required) (Sibel Edmonds), said "If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up". She also is leaning towards the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job. Some of her allegations have been confirmed in the British press.

LittleGreen je napisal(a):
s8t [ 12:20 ] Naj kdo članek in debato linka Mrkaiću, kot fizika ga bo kap. :))))) ________________________________________ Kaj kaj kdo...Miran Potrč...

Predvidevam, da bi nas zgolj spomnil na načelo največjega bebca . Pri tej debati se je še enkrat izkazalo za zelo aktualno.

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Res ste pametni, najbolj pa tisti, ki se dere,d je imel fiziko na faksu 10.. daj vprašajte kakšnega pilota kakšne so šanse, da se s takim tipom aviona zaletiš točno v stavbo in to pri povezavi hitrosti, ter višine. probajte na simulatorju, pričevanja pilotov so, da je to nemogoče.. . da o nefunkcioniranju zračne obrambe sploh ne bi. Kar se pa stavbe tiče je bila podminirana in to s strani MOSADA in ne CIE. Pričevanja gasilcev in ostalih, ki so slišali eksplozije so bile objavljene po končani uradni preiskavi. Ti fzični piflar si pa Newtonsko fiziko vtakni v rit ...bebec oprani.

Lej, kako znaš žaliti. Kateri pilot pa pravi to, kar trdiš ti? Verjamem, da kakšen, ki pilotira jadralno letalo, da pametuje, pa nič ne ve.

Poznam relativno izkušenega pilota jadralnega in športnega motornega letala (nekaj izkušenj ima tudi na simulatorju potniškega letala), ki je izjavil, da so piloti morali biti zelo dobro usposobljeni in da zagotovo ni šlo za delo kakšnih športnih pilotov, kakršen je on, pač pa za delo nekoga, ki je treniral na pravem potniškem letalu. Opozoril me je na pomembno malenkost: pilot je zadel zgradbo v zavoju, kar je neprimerno težje, kot v premočrtnem letu, kjer bi že od daleč nastavil smer in do trka izvajal samo še majhne popravke smeri. Zadetek v zavoju je bil ključen zato, da je letalo letelo v nagibu, s čimer je pilot dosegel, da je bistveno večji del kril pokril stavbo, da so krila poškodovala veliko število nadstropij in da je večji del goriva (ki je v krilih) doseglo stavbo. Skratka, pilot je bil "frajer", da je uspel tako natančno leteti v trenutkih pred gotovo smrtjo. Če pa bi bilo to nemogoče, pa ne vem kako drugače bi to izvedli. Z radijskem vodenjem? Ni (tehnično) nemogoče, zagotovo pa je bolj zahtevno, saj letenje v letalu vse kaj drugega kot upravljanje letala na daljavo.

Sicer pa je podcenjevanje jadralnih pilotov neprimerno. Zračne sile mnogih držav trenirajo svoje pilote na jadralnih letalih, kajti tam se najbolje naučijo preciznega letenja; v šibkih zračnih dviganjih jadralni piloti z dobro koordiniranim pilotiranjem ostajajo v zraku, pri tistih z nekoliko slabšo koordinacijo pa prihaja do rahlega bočnega drsenja letala, posledično do večjega zračnega upora in zgubljanja višine.

Iščemo nevarnosti v ZDA, ko jih imamo vendar doma dovolj.

Zakaj je nevaren diplomiran maneken Borut Pahor?

usimoncic je napisal(a):

Poznam relativno izkušenega pilota jadralnega in športnega motornega letala (nekaj izkušenj ima tudi na simulatorju potniškega letala), ki je izjavil, da so piloti morali biti zelo dobro usposobljeni in da zagotovo ni šlo za delo kakšnih športnih pilotov,

Seveda niso bili sportni piloti. Bili so tipi, ki so mesece trenirali na pravih simulatorjih potniskih letal pod vodstvom instruktorjev, ki trenirajo tudi prave pilote - in trenirali so samo letenje, vzleti in pristanki jih niso zanimali.

Od kje sedaj neka glupa ideja da so to bili sportni piloti?

Sicer pa, zadetek ni bil tako "velicasten" - tisti, ki je priletel not postrani v zavoju, je skoraj zgresil neboticnik. Sicer ti lahko tolmacis to kot blazno izkusenost, jaz pa kot indic, da je to bil rookie, ki se je posteno namatral, da je tarco sploh zadel.

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Kaj naj bi naredila zračna obramba? Bila so civilna letala na notranjem letu.

Ja, tole je cist nor argument. Nekateri so res nori.

Pa folk, pa se vam sanja kako noro tezka je odlocitev za sestrelitev civilnega letala? Do 9/11 je to bilo sploh scenarij, ki je bil popolnoma neverjeten.

Pa si predstavljate, da sedaj, ko je 9/11 za nami, obama izda ukaz da sestrelijo domac potniski avion ki je s 275 potniki skrenil s kursa? Pa javnost ga zivega pozre.

Pa ste normalni ali kaj? Od paranoje so se vam ze zdavnaj skisali mozgani.

usimoncic je napisal(a):

Poznam relativno izkušenega pilota jadralnega in športnega motornega letala (nekaj izkušenj ima tudi na simulatorju potniškega letala), ki je izjavil, da so piloti morali biti zelo dobro usposobljeni in da zagotovo ni šlo za delo kakšnih športnih pilotov, kakršen je on, pač pa za delo nekoga, ki je treniral na pravem potniškem letalu. Opozoril me je na pomembno malenkost: pilot je zadel zgradbo v zavoju, kar je neprimerno težje, kot v premočrtnem letu, kjer bi že od daleč nastavil smer in do trka izvajal samo še majhne popravke smeri. Zadetek v zavoju je bil ključen zato, da je letalo letelo v nagibu, s čimer je pilot dosegel, da je bistveno večji del kril pokril stavbo , da so krila poškodovala veliko število nadstropij in da je večji del goriva (ki je v krilih) doseglo stavbo. Skratka, pilot je bil "frajer", da je uspel tako natančno leteti v trenutkih pred gotovo smrtjo. Če pa bi bilo to nemogoče, pa ne vem kako drugače bi to izvedli. Z radijskem vodenjem? Ni (tehnično) nemogoče, zagotovo pa je bolj zahtevno, saj letenje v letalu vse kaj drugega kot upravljanje letala na daljavo.

Sicer pa je podcenjevanje jadralnih pilotov neprimerno. Zračne sile mnogih držav trenirajo svoje pilote na jadralnih letalih, kajti tam se najbolje naučijo preciznega letenja; v šibkih zračnih dviganjih jadralni piloti z dobro koordiniranim pilotiranjem ostajajo v zraku, pri tistih z nekoliko slabšo koordinacijo pa prihaja do rahlega bočnega drsenja letala, posledično do večjega zračnega upora in zgubljanja višine.

 
ker se mi ne da sesuvati vsega, samo dva podatka. wtc je bil širok 63m, boeing 767-200 (obe letali sta bili isti) pa ima čez krila dobrih 47m. torej je ta delček tvoje trditve čisto nakladanje.

glede na dimenzijo stavbe lahko tudi sklepamo, da je bilo zadeti wtc enako težko ali lahko kot zadeti pristajalno stezo (te so večinoma široke do 80m), tako da mislim, da za teroriste z obilo treninga to ni bil pretiran problem.

purinoli je napisal(a):

 Večino tega, kar sprašuješ, boš našel v blogu, ki izide v ponedeljek.

 Na katerem blogu?
A si lahko kje kaj več preberem o tej teoriji, da CO2 ne vpliva kaj dosti na atmosfero? Ti torej vidiš zmanjšanje Co2 kot načrtno zaroto ali kot neko socialistično neumnost? Kaj misliš, da jo poganja.
Jaz sem dosedaj mislil, da je VELIK vpliv CO2 na atmosfero in segrevanje zgolj ena od hipotez. Nisem pa razumel, kaj to histerijo poganja, kakšni interesi. Vedno mora biti zadaj interes nekoga.

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Za umret smešno blebetanje z obeh strani. To, da so zagovorniki teorij zarote vedno levičarji, zagovorniki uradnih verzij pa verujoči desničarji, je itak klasika.

 Pri tako pmaetnih ljudeh kot si ti, je potrebno zelo natančno brati tekst, kajti pri dodajanju argumentov se vedno najde kakšen zajec, ki ga tak ideološki čarovnik kar tako potegne iz rokava in nima nobene podlage.

Se strinjam, da predvsem levičarji flancajo pravljice, ker imajo manj pameti, znanja, podjetnosti, kreativnost, odgovornosti - zato se samo drogirajo in sanjarijo v življenju.

Po drugi strani pa so še druge teorije zarote, ki jih desničarji vidimo:
1. Purinolli tukaj gori piše o zaroti sveta, da zmanjšamo premogove TE in s tem Co2 ( in tako posledično uničimo industrijo zahoda) ravno zaradi zelo NASILNE hipoteze, da CO drastično vpliva na sgrevanje atmosfere in toplenje ledenikov, višanje gladine morje in spreminjanje morskih tokov ter tako na vreme. Danes je že vsaka večja nevihta za levičarje znak globalnega segrevanja in začetek čiste histerije.

2. Kaj pa če vzamem ven Madrid in 200 žrtev. In to par tednov pred volitvami. Potem so te vlake raztrelili levičarski skrajneži, saj so po tej nesreči levičarski mediji krivdo iskali pri desni vladi, ker je sodelovala z Bushem in dosegli zmago z majhno večino - oz. brez te tragedije zmage ne bi bilo.

3. domače teorije zarote ( ki niso zgolj teorije, pa čeprav nisem Janšeljubec oz. janševik, vseeno vidim tukaj afere z namenom blatenja Janše):
Depala vas (uspela)
Holmec, Bandelj ( spodletela)
major Troha, ugrabitev ( spodletela)
Patria (uspela).
Skratka zadnja zarota je uspela. Dokazov ni, samo namigovanja in histerija večinsko fašistoidnih medijev. Še dobro, da imamo internet in par radovednih resnicoiskalcev.

mataj je napisal(a):
 Navdih za tole pisanje so mi dali osebni napadi na Dejana Steinbucha v dosedanji debati.

 Da bi Dejana štel za neumnega in mu postavljal razne roftarsko psihiatrične diagnoze mi ni padlo na kraj pameti tudi takrat, ko je kot piarovec malo preveč dobro opravljal svoj posel, in mi zaradi tega šel na jetra. S tem člankom se je izkazal kot človek, ki zelo dobro ve kam veter piha in dokazal, da je glede politike korak pred ostalimi.

 To, da je 9/11 inside job je bilo že od samega začetka jasno vsem, ki kdaj pa kdaj pogledamo stran od televizije. Par mesecev nazaj so se pojavili tudi neizpodbitni dokazi, da sta WTC dvojčka padla zaradi podstavljenega eksploziva in ne zaradi trka z letali. Tu gre za dejstva, ki jih lahko preveri vsak, tako da se niti nima smisla več nategovati z linki in debatami. Nobeno zmerjanje, nobene osebne diskvalifikacije, nobeno kreteničenje z duhovi, marsovci in alu folijo, nobeno roftarsko psihoanaliziranje tu ne pomaga več. Pa tudi ignoranca ne.

YouTube - Charlie Sh...dent Obama  

http://www.thesun.co...ks-US.html< /a>

 Američani so se, kot kaže, resno odločili razčistiti to zadevo. In seveda, ko smo že pri razčiščevanju, je Dejan jasno po svoji stari navadi pristavil svoj priljubljeni piskrček, povojne poboje. Sprašuje se, kako da med Slovenci ni takega navdušenja za razčiščevanje preteklosti kot Američani. Odgovor je zelo enostaven: Rezultati, posledice tukaj in zdaj. Politične posledice 9/11 so še vedno prisotne. Vojne, ki jim je 9/11 služil kot povod še vedno trajajo, tisti trilijon $, ki je izpuhtel iz Pentagona se še vedno nahaja neznano kje, politične svoboščine so še vedno kratene, še vedno ti lahko vsak pogleda v gate preden se greš peljat z aeroplanom. Kaj pa politične posledice povojnih pobojev? Kar se nas, običajnih ljudi tiče, so bile leta 1990 odpravljene v tej meri, da niso več moteče. Običajni ljudje smo tako v glavnem tiho, še vedno pa se oglaša glasna manjšina:

- Nesojeni tajkuni, ki jim ni uspelo nagrabiti bogastva, ker jih je elita iz bivšega rešima pač prehitela.

- Cerkev, ki ne more vplivati na politiko tako kot bi hotela, ker njena podpora odnese več glasov kot jih prinese. Za to žalostno duhovno stanje slovenskega občestva krivi ostanke komunistične miselnosti in zagovarja sodno prepoved komunizma.

- Desne politične stranke, ki bi na volitvah lahko zmagale edino tako, da bi njihove nasprotnike pobrala ciroza, ali pa bi bili odlustrirani po milosti božji.

 Sami reveži, skratka, kar srce me boli zanje. Medtem, ko bi Američani imeli od razčiščevanja 9/11 koristi, bi mi od nadaljnega brskanja po povojnih pobojih imeli samo škodo. Če bi uslišali zahteve prej omenjene glasne manjšine, bi s tem "pridobili" kvečjemu kriminalizacijo mišljenja, oblast bi vsakega, ki bi kaj preveč zinil, proglasila za komunista in ga spravila s poti. Hvala lepa.

 
Meni se tukaj dozdeva še ena zarota.
Kaj če je StajnBUSH v resnici Mataj?

Ali bolj natančno: kaj če Dejan posoja svoje pisanje včasih tudi Mataju, tako kot je Repovž v Delu dajal prostor Golobičevim jastrebom?

Avtor odkriva toplo vodo. Špekuliranje in nakladanje se odraža v komentarjih Dejanovega komentarja. Tipično za slovenski samovšečni komunajzerski politični sistem je popularno udrihanje po US of A. Slovenija kot mižek figa na svetovni lestvici pomembnosti pa predstavlja manj kot nič. Zato nam niso nevarni ne US of A niti 9/11, ampak svetlemu soncu revolucije samonastavljivi politiki sedanje oblasti. Ali je september z odločitvami vlade le slučaj?

marsonn je napisal(a):
 Vsak z osnovnim znanjem angleščine naj si vzame 5 minut.
Parmak:
Enostavna uporaba prijema copy/paste in nastane štala. Me prav zanima loliko jih je pobralo preden so nehali brati kretenizme. Islam dejansko zganja terorizem, vera pač enako kot "Svetle tekovine revolucije".

salto je napisal(a):

Ali bolj natančno: kaj če Dejan posoja svoje pisanje včasih tudi Mataju , tako kot je Repovž v Delu dajal prostor Golobičevim jastrebom?

To ravno ne, je pa Mataj seveda zraven takoj ko se odpre kakšna bizarno nebulozna tema.

usimoncic je napisal(a):

Poznam relativno izkušenega pilota jadralnega in športnega motornega letala ( nekaj izkušenj ima tudi na simulatorju potniškega letala ), ki je izjavil, da so piloti morali biti zelo dobro usposobljeni in da zagotovo ni šlo za delo kakšnih športnih pilotov, kakršen je on, pač pa za delo nekoga, ki je treniral na pravem potniškem letalu. Opozoril me je na pomembno malenkost: pilot je zadel zgradbo v zavoju, kar je neprimerno težje, kot v premočrtnem letu, kjer bi že od daleč nastavil smer in do trka izvajal samo še majhne popravke smeri. Zadetek v zavoju je bil ključen zato, da je letalo letelo v nagibu, s čimer je pilot dosegel, da je bistveno večji del kril pokril stavbo, da so krila poškodovala veliko število nadstropij in da je večji del goriva (ki je v krilih) doseglo stavbo. Skratka, pilot je bil "frajer", da je uspel tako natančno leteti v trenutkih pred gotovo smrtjo. Če pa bi bilo to nemogoče, pa ne vem kako drugače bi to izvedli. Z radijskem vodenjem? Ni (tehnično) nemogoče, zagotovo pa je bolj zahtevno, saj letenje v letalu vse kaj drugega kot upravljanje letala na daljavo.

Nekaj izkušenj na simulatorju je premalo, pa ne žalim pilotov jadralnih letal. Treba je upoštevati specifičen prostor, New York, okoliške stavbe, vreme tistega dne...Stvar je neizvedljiva, če upoštevaš kdo naj bi bila pilota in to da jima je uspelo dvakrat. Poleg tega so cca 150 metrov stran našli ohranjen motor letala, kateri ni pripadal nobenemu od njih, drug model in motor je bil skoraj nedotaknjen. Moje mnenje je, da sta bila letali daljinsko vodeni in to sicer s tehnologijo, ki je ni na prostem trgu. Poslušal sem izjave, da je možno, da sta bila letali holograma, sam sicer ne verjamem v to tezo, toda vse je mogoče. Obstaja zelo napredna hologramska tehnologija, produkt črnih projektov, ki je tudi ni na tržišču.

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Nekaj izkušenj na simulatorju je premalo, pa ne žalim pilotov jadralnih letal. Treba je upoštevati specifičen prostor, New York, okoliške stavbe, vreme tistega dne...Stvar je neizvedljiva, če upoštevaš kdo naj bi bila pilota in to da jima je uspelo dvakrat. Poleg tega so cca 150 metrov stran našli ohranjen motor letala, kateri ni pripadal nobenemu od njih, drug model in motor je bil skoraj nedotaknjen. Moje mnenje je, da sta bila letali daljinsko vodeni in to sicer s tehnologijo, ki je ni na prostem trgu. Poslušal sem izjave, da je možno, da sta bila letali holograma , sam sicer ne verjamem v to tezo, toda vse je mogoče. Obstaja zelo napredna hologramska tehnologija, produkt črnih projektov, ki je tudi ni na tržišču.

1. Kdo naj bi bila pilota? Dva arabca ki sta mesece in mesece na komercialnih simulatorjih pod vodstvom izkusenih instruktorjev vadila  samo letenje tega tipa avionov. Ce to upostevam, se mi zdi cisto realno, da sta bila sposobna tresciti

Pizda, pa saj se nista ucila na Flight simulatorju, no!

2. Tole o najdenem motorju kar tako navrzes, kot da bi bilo res. Pa je? Daj kaksen kredibilen vir.

3. Hologrami? Madona, pa eni ste cist zblojeni. Star trek je FANTASTIKA, ok?

bugar777 je napisal(a):

Poslušal sem izjave, da je možno, da sta bila letali holograma, sam sicer ne verjamem v to tezo, toda vse je mogoče. Obstaja zelo napredna hologramska tehnologija , produkt črnih projektov, ki je tudi ni na tržišču.

 
Prmejduš da obstaja. V debilnih skisanih možganih bebcev z zaprtih oddelkov psihiatričnih ustanov, ki take fantazme obelodanjajo seveda obstaja taka tehnologija. Tvorci teorij o hologramih se seveda ne vprašajo, kam so izginila 4 letala. Tega obrazložiti jim seveda niti ni potrebno glede na nizke zahteve in sposobnosti publike, ki jih posluša.

Pa kaj si ti res tako tup, da to verjameš? (ne mi odgovarjat, to je samo retorično vprašanje)

bugar777 je napisal(a):

Nekaj izkušenj na simulatorju je premalo, pa ne žalim pilotov jadralnih letal. Treba je upoštevati specifičen prostor, New York, okoliške stavbe, vreme tistega dne...Stvar je neizvedljiva, če upoštevaš kdo naj bi bila pilota in to da jima je uspelo dvakrat. Poleg tega so cca 150 metrov stran našli ohranjen motor letala, kateri ni pripadal nobenemu od njih, drug model in motor je bil skoraj nedotaknjen. Moje mnenje je, da sta bila letali daljinsko vodeni in to sicer s tehnologijo, ki je ni na prostem trgu. Poslušal sem izjave, da je možno, da sta bila letali holograma, sam sicer ne verjamem v to tezo, toda vse je mogoče. Obstaja zelo napredna hologramska tehnologija, produkt črnih projektov, ki je tudi ni na tržišču.

 
Omejeni verniki zarot so prav tako nadležni kot tercijalke in pobesneli ateisti. Karkoli jim kdorkoli napiše, v kakršnikoli obliki in dikciji, ONI VEDO!!!

Daljinsko vodena letala, hologrami, tehnologija, ki je ni na prostem trgu... Sure thing. In ljudje v stolpnicah so bili agentje CIA, naredili so množični časovni skok in zdaj veselo živijo v 36. stoletju. Budalam ni konca.

Zanimiva je tista, ki je krožila med podobnimi osebki kmalu po 9/11, namreč da med žrtvami ni bilo Židov, ker jih je vnaprej opozoril Mossad. Zgolj zgodbica, glede na imena žrtev, a nekaj tednov so jo dotični vneto razlagali po internetu in kafičih. Domnevam da ptički istega gnezda, ki je nekaj let pred tem enako vehementno kot tale tu odpiralo oči javnosti, da je virus AIDS-a dal izdelati v laboratoriju en hud mafijec, ki so mu pedri posilili sina. Kako že reklamirajo nek njihov tiskani medij... "Kaj pa, če je vse res???"

V skrajni fazi,  vsakdo ima pravico živeti v svojem vesolju, če s tem ne ogroža drugih. Tudi tile forumski marsovci. Morda so včeraj čoporativno prejeli signale s svojega planeta v ozvezdju Miki Miške in zdaj delajo na ravni hiperdojemanja. Ki sicer tu na Zemlji ni na prostem trgu.

He he, kakšen odziv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4U2sNtJKEU&eurl= http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3D hollogram%2Bedgar%2Bmitchell%26emb%3D0%26aq%3Df&fe ature=player_embedded

Mislim, da ima on boljše reference od zgornjih betono-glavcev

gogi1 je napisal(a):

 
Prmejduš da obstaja. V debilnih skisanih možganih bebcev z zaprtih oddelkov psihiatričnih ustanov, ki take fantazme obelodanjajo seveda obstaja taka tehnologija. Tvorci teorij o hologramih se seveda ne vprašajo, kam so izginila 4 letala. Tega obrazložiti jim seveda niti ni potrebno glede na nizke zahteve in sposobnosti publike, ki jih posluša.

Pa kaj si ti res tako tup, da to verjameš? (ne mi odgovarjat, to je samo retorično vprašanje)

 
ti pa si kratek, v bistvu si revček, da samega sebe omejuješ....upam da nisi gledal na CNN-u, kako so se med predsedniško dirko Obama McCain novinarji Wolfu Blitzerji iz terena javljali preko hologrma, če nisi, ti tukaj prilagam tvoje razsvetljenje

www.youtube.com/watc...L&index=13

salto je napisal(a):

 Na katerem blogu?
A si lahko kje kaj več preberem o tej teoriji, da CO2 ne vpliva kaj dosti na atmosfero? Ti torej vidiš zmanjšanje Co2 kot načrtno zaroto ali kot neko socialistično neumnost? Kaj misliš, da jo poganja.
Jaz sem dosedaj mislil, da je VELIK vpliv CO2 na atmosfero in segrevanje zgolj ena od hipotez. Nisem pa razumel, kaj to histerijo poganja, kakšni interesi. Vedno mora biti zadaj interes nekoga.

 Blog Finance.si jutri ( po, 14.9.09). Več stvari poganja tole AGW norijo. Začelo se je s tem, da so resnično mislili, da je CO2 zelo pomemben dejavnik, potem so začeli grabiti denar za raziskave ( to gre v milijarde in ne milijone !), ker je veliko skeptikov, so pa v IPCC angažirali politike, ki so utišali skeptike ( samo v IPCC jih je kakih 40%).

Al Gore je samo jagoda na torti neumnosti. Kaj resnično ZDAJ poganja to norijo, je težko reči. Dejstvo je pa, da bodo države, ki bodo nadaljevale bebave obveznosti iz Kyota ( decembra se nadaljuje v Koebenhavnu), grdo plačale svojo neumnost. Pripravlja se plan, da se tretjemu svetu plača nekaj tisoč mrd $, da bo začel inštalirati nekaj PV, vetrnic....kar bo itak poniknilo v žepe lokalnih ljudožercev. Kitajci in Indijci se smejijo, ker bodo dobili zastonj tehnologijo in denar. Hkrati jim bo pa dovoljeno emitirati. Kje je tu logika, ne vem. Rezultat je vnaprej znan : ne bo redukcij emisij ( samo Kitajci zgradijo eno TE na premog na teden !!!), razviti bodo postali siromašnejši, dragocen denar za razvoj dobrih tehnologij bo pa odtekel v tople kraje....

Edino dobro v tem scenariju je, da bo planet produciral še več CO2, ki je za življenje, kot ga poznamo, enako pomemben, kot kisik.

Lep pozdrav, Purinoli

P.S. Nisem pristaš teorij zarot. V primeru AGW gre pa zagotovo za manipuliranje s hipotezami, ki niso še teorije in nimajo nesporne znanstvene podlage. Je pa veliko lobijev, skupin...., ki jim to ustreza. Kar je bizarno, je, da je to nesporno strel v koleno.

tukaj prilagam povezavo na dokumentarni film, ki ga je posnela italjanska ekipa in odpira neodgovorjena vprašanja, film je embeddan na dnu bloga, lahko si ga ogledate v full screen verziji, za vse tiste "teoretike zarot" ki pač ne verjamejo, da tega ni storila Al Kaida...mimogrede Al Kaida je ime podatkovne baze, v kateri je bil/je še vedno seznam mujahedinov, ki so na plačilni listi CIA in ki so bili rekrutirani v vojni med afganistanom in rusijo....
pa veliko masturbiranja pri gledanju želim

www.infowars.com/don...ncover-it/

gogi1 je napisal(a):

 
Prmejduš da obstaja. V debilnih skisanih možganih bebcev z zaprtih oddelkov psihiatričnih ustanov, ki take fantazme obelodanjajo seveda obstaja taka tehnologija. Tvorci teorij o hologramih se seveda ne vprašajo, kam so izginila 4 letala. Tega obrazložiti jim seveda niti ni potrebno glede na nizke zahteve in sposobnosti publike, ki jih posluša.

Pa kaj si ti res tako tup, da to verjameš? (ne mi odgovarjat, to je samo retorično vprašanje)

 
Avioni so odšli v paralelni svet.
Ni pa še jasno, ali je bila uporabljena tehnologija Stargate ali Startrek ali pa je vse skupaj zakuhal tisti študent fizike iz paralllel worlds ;-)

Infowarrior je napisal(a):
tukaj prilagam povezavo na dokumentarni film, ki ga je posnela italjanska ekipa in odpira neodgovorjena vprašanja, film je embeddan na dnu bloga, lahko si ga ogledate v full screen verziji, za vse tiste "teoretike zarot" ki pač ne verjamejo, da tega ni storila Al Kaida...mimogrede Al Kaida je ime podatkovne baze, v kateri je bil/je še vedno seznam mujahedinov, ki so na plačilni listi CIA in ki so bili rekrutirani v vojni med afganistanom in rusijo.... pa veliko masturbiranja pri gledanju želim http://www.infowars.com/dont-just-remember-911%E2% 80%A6-uncover-it/

 
Vidim, da se krmiš iz enega in istega web blodnjaka, po katerem si si dal celo ime. Tako kot v Zeitgeistu je tudi na tej strani na vrhu kdo drugi kot FED. 9.11. in FED. No pa še par podobnih tem in svet teh bednikov se konča. Jasno, bolj je zarota povezana z Bushem, bolj sočna je.

bugar777 je napisal(a):

Nekaj izkušenj na simulatorju je premalo, pa ne žalim pilotov jadralnih letal.

Nekaj izkušenj na simulatorju je čisto dovolj, da opaziš, da takega letala v realnosti niti pod razno ne bi znal upravljati, četudi odlično upravljaš manjše športno letalo. Pa ne gre za poznavanje instrumentarija, gre za to, da se 10× večje letalo čisto drugače obnaša. Kdor je vozil zgolj Smarta, bi prav gotovo potreboval nekaj časa, da bi lahko sedel za volan tovornega vlačilca.

bugar777 je napisal(a):

Treba je upoštevati specifičen prostor, New York, okoliške stavbe, vreme tistega dne...Stvar je neizvedljiva, če upoštevaš kdo naj bi bila pilota in to da jima je uspelo dvakrat.

Saj ravno to hočem povedati, pilota sta bila vrhusko usposobljena, nista bila amaterja. Da pa je nekaj neizvedljivo, si jaz ne bi upal trditi. Vem za primer, ko so lokalni jadralni piloti trili, da na določenem terenu ni mogoče varno zasilno pristati z jadralnim letalom (kratka podlaga, bljižina reke, okoliški hribi, drevesa, ...). In potem je nekdo v sili tam pristal, ne da bi opazno poškodoval jadralno letalo, sam pa jo je odnesel brez praske.

Sicer pa je zgolj en od pilotov perfektno zadel stavbo. Drugi jo je zadel v rob, a jo je še vedno dovolj poškodoval, da se je zaradi tega porušila (če predpostavimo, da so teorije zarot zgolj blodnja; do tega se jaz niti ne bi opredeljeval, ker je zame premalo oprijemljivih podatkov in preveč neznank).

bugar777 je napisal(a):

Poleg tega so cca 150 metrov stran našli ohranjen motor letala, kateri ni pripadal nobenemu od njih, drug model in motor je bil skoraj nedotaknjen. Moje mnenje je, da sta bila letali daljinsko vodeni in to sicer s tehnologijo, ki je ni na prostem trgu. Poslušal sem izjave, da je možno, da sta bila letali holograma, sam sicer ne verjamem v to tezo, toda vse je mogoče. Obstaja zelo napredna hologramska tehnologija, produkt črnih projektov, ki je tudi ni na tržišču.

Pa kaj se spremeni, če je letalo daljinsko vodeno? Za upravljanje potrebuješ še boljšega pilota, ker je upravljanje na daljavo bolj zahtevno, kot upravljanje iz pilotske kabine. Ko so nekoč preizkušali nek dodatek za gorivo, niso uspeli niti pristati natančno po željeni poti z radijsko vodenim Boeingom 707: glej http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Impact_Dem onstration

Tisto o hologramski tehnologiji pa ni vredno komentirati.