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anon-6038 sporočil: 223
[#310672] 05.09.08 16:52
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Očitno ne razumeš. Ti je oproščeno, ker si neumen.
anon-9303 sporočil: 1.074
[#310758] 05.09.08 20:29
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Objektivno gledano je bilo stevilo bebcev, ki so se danes delali pametne z dajanjem neumestnih pripomb na moj izvrstni komentar, relativno majhno.

MM
anon-21463 sporočil: 2
[#310761] 05.09.08 20:38 · odgovor na: anon-9303 (#310758)
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Spoštovani kolega Mrkaić! Ali me lahko razsvetlite in s citiranjem navedete katero "resno ekonomsko teorijo" ste pri pisanju po vaše "izvrstnega komentarja" uporabili? LP SP
anon-9303 sporočil: 1.074
[#310770] 05.09.08 21:09 · odgovor na: anon-21463 (#310761)
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0411Pejov je napisal(a):
Spoštovani kolega Mrkaić! Ali me lahko razsvetlite in s citiranjem navedete katero "resno ekonomsko teorijo" ste pri pisanju po vaše "izvrstnega komentarja" uporabili? LP SP
Podpisi se s celim imenom in dokazi svojo identiteto, da bom vedel ce si res kolega, potem pa gremo morda naprej.

MM
anon-171999 sporočil: 1.852
[#310789] 05.09.08 21:42 · odgovor na: anon-9303 (#310758)
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micom je napisal(a):
Objektivno gledano je bilo stevilo bebcev, ki so se danes delali pametne z dajanjem neumestnih pripomb na moj izvrstni komentar, relativno majhno. MM
 
Stupid on niin tyhmä ei.
anon-129959 sporočil: 13.643
[#310813] 05.09.08 22:56 · odgovor na: anon-171999 (#310789)
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Neeeei, @lecner = Stupid 1 ! ... :-)
anon-28836 sporočil: 3.657
[#310815] 05.09.08 22:58 · odgovor na: anon-9303 (#310758)
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Zadnja sprememba: anon-28836 05.09.2008 22:59
Mic'o, bre, koncno imamo "Watergate" v dezeli!  Samo nam "Deep Throat" manjka s kopijo Finskega e-mail s seznamom 26 oseb, ki bi jih bilo treba zaslisati.  Ta whistler bi bil nas novi JJ XXI stoletja.  Prejsnji teden smo ti sirotinja raja pomagali z 300+ komentarjev.  Upam, da tvoj honorar ni od tega odvisen?
anon-166829 sporočil: 5.290
[#310818] 05.09.08 23:04 · odgovor na: anon-9303 (#310770)
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Zadnja sprememba: anon-166829 05.09.2008 23:05

micom je napisal(a):

Podpisi se s celim imenom in dokazi svojo identiteto, da bom vedel ce si res kolega, potem pa gremo morda naprej.

MM
Za tole izjavo bi bilo pa potrebno poslati protestno noto v Ameriko, pa še eno na Finance, ker dajejo preveč podkupnine MM samo zato, da bi zabrisal vsako sled za transkacijami in bi bebce končno podučil o nični skupni točki, ki jo imajo lahko "provizije" z ekonomijo!

Ugotavljanje identitete je rezervirano samo za represivne organe.
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[#310836] 06.09.08 01:24
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Ne poznam trgovca,
ki svojega kupca
bi imel za norca,
ne poznam junaka,
še posebej svobodnjaka,
ki ga ne briga
kam njegov denar ponika,
pa tudi vernika,
ki svojo vero zanika,
se izpovedi izmika,
a dobro podučeni Mrko,
bi kar vsem vzel besedo,
mar zato, da padli bi
v še večjega neznanja bedo ?
Bobneči patrijin ognjemet
naj bil bi tokratni domet,
a o njemu, ta mrki Tič,
noče vedeti nič,
raje nas s svojimi razmisleki seznanja,
iz nekakšnih ekonomski teorij spoznanja
in kot tržni vernik
njega umazanije spravlja v isti mernik,
ko pa je vendar očitno,
da v nevidni roki trga,
vselej je pripravljen samokres,
nenehno čaka na svoj vojni urnebes,
s podmazovanjem, če je treba do "nebes,"
le pozneje ali prej se zakuri kres...
Sodražan
anon-120479 sporočil: 50
[#310944] 06.09.08 12:21
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V nasprotju z MM, ne bom komentiral njegovega izvrstnega komentarja, ampak se bom obregnil le ob avtorjevo izstopajočo karakteristiko:

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In psychology, egocentrism is defined as a) the incomplete differentiation of the self and the world, including other people and b) the tendency to perceive, understand and interpret the world in terms of the self. The term derives from the Greek egô, meaning "I". An egocentric person has no theory of mind, cannot "put himself in other people
jurijjurij sporočil: 4.944
[#310993] 06.09.08 14:34 · odgovor na: anon-9303 (#310758)
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micom je napisal(a):
Objektivno gledano je bilo stevilo bebcev, ki so se danes delali pametne z dajanjem neumestnih pripomb na moj izvrstni komentar, relativno majhno. MM

(1) Naslov prispevka "Patria? Pojma nimam, kaj se dogaja!" bo, po izkušnjah forumov na Financah in drugje, pričakovano pritegnil kopicom komentarjev. Magična beseda je seveda Patria.

(2) Še pomembnejši je podnaslov: "Aplikacija načela največjega bebca".

(3) Po umotvorih MM-ja ste vsi tisti, ki ste se odzvali na besedo "Patria" in prispevali replike, lokalni modrijani, ki mislite, da je vaše mnenje pomembno, nastopači, ki onesnažujete  internet ali veseljaki, ki "natančno" veste kaj se je zgodilo. Skratka mlatite prazno slamo.  
 
(4) Tistim, ki se niste odzvali na besedo "Patria" je MM podvalil nekaj razmislekov iz "resne ekonomske teorije" ??? na temo korupcije. In za te velja: raprava je lahko visokostrokovna ali pa je na nivoju največjega bebca, vmesne stopnje ni (berite Največji bebebc 1. del).
Ker torej razpravljalci nikakor niste bili na nedosegljivem nivoju MM-ja je bila torej razprava na nivoju, no saj veste kakšnem ...

(5) obstajajo še komentarji, ki jih pomembni MM ne more razvstiti v točki (3) in (4), ti so bili bebci, ker so se delali pametne z dajanjem neumestnih pripomb na njegov "izvrstni" komentar.
 

P.S.1: za razliko od budal iz točke (3), je svoje velecenjeno mnenje, ki je po njegovem seveda za vesoljno Slovenijo pomembno, podal tudi samooklicani najboljši kolumnist vseh časov, torej sam MM.

P.S.2: Dragi replikanti razmislite in se razvrstite se po točkah kamor hočete, zanj ste vedo izpadli samo bebci.

P.S.3: Ker Finance plačujejo prispevke domnevam, da je eden od kriterijev za plačilo tudi število replik, ki govori o "gledanosti" prispevka. Priznam, MM-ju tu res uspeva, začne se že običajno s provokativnim naslovom. V komentarjih na replike pa zasije njegov pravi "jaz" s katerim si verjetno malo pozdravi svoje egocentrične komplekse. 
anon-159328 sporočil: 164
[#311082] 06.09.08 20:06
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Cena korupcije mora pasti še nižje, na ta način ne bo pristopa k njej oz. ne trošenja predvsem javnega denarja. Mrkaić na nek način pospešuje še večji strošek za davkoplačevalce, ki korupcijo javnega sektorja plačujejo.
anon-21463 sporočil: 2
[#311094] 06.09.08 20:31 · odgovor na: anon-9303 (#310758)
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Gospod dr. Mrkaić! Ali me prosim lahko razsvetlite in navedete katero po vaše " resno ekonomsko teorijo" ste pri pisanju tega prispevka uporabili. LP SP
anon-12993 sporočil: 18
[#311171] 07.09.08 00:25
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MM je spet zadel žebljico na glavico!!! :) Slovenceljni pokukajte malo izza svojega plota!
anon-92744 sporočil: 371
[#311203] 07.09.08 09:24
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Podkupovanje je le ena plat poslov. Dandanašnji je bolj aktualno pranje. Posebej, ker so denarni tokovi skoraj povsem pod kontrolo in je priložnosti malo - npr. kakšni mega posli pod finto državnih skrivnosti. Problem nastane, če se te vrste možnosti pranja dokopljejo diletanti. Še hujši pa, če se ga lotijo taki, ki si domišljajo, da niso amaterji, ki jih skrbi celo peznijonček. V kumrovcih namreč marsičesa niso poučevali. Tam so učili npr. urejanje tv programov (na daljavo...)
anon-104578 sporočil: 732
[#311341] 07.09.08 17:40 · odgovor na: 153 (#310836)
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Če že hočeš pesnikovati, se prej primerno opismeni, šele potem vstopi v javni prostor
anon-72235 sporočil: 914
[#311440] 07.09.08 21:24 · odgovor na: anon-9303 (#310758)
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...ker te, večinoma, ne jemljejo več resno!
anon-143003 sporočil: 67
[#311658] 08.09.08 10:18 · odgovor na: anon-175923 (#310549)
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Kefej, se zavedam kdo in kako. Sem bila pa tudi večen in boleč trn v peti že osnovnošolskim učiteljem, da ne govorim, da sem mogla faks končat izredno, ker sem preveč žulila bogovstvo predavateljstev z vprašanji in drugačnimi teorijami. Indoktrinacija v šolstvu še vedno je, samo da se menjuje glede na vodilno stranko. Zato se bomo starši kar sami morali potruditi, da otrokom predstavimo vse strani (kar je, roko na srce, težko tudi za nas).
anon-15281 sporočil: 58
[#311794] 08.09.08 12:02 · odgovor na: anon-143003 (#311658)
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MM dobi vedno najvec odziva na njegove prispevke in clanke...bravo.




l.p.
anon-24781 sporočil: 3.126
[#311798] 08.09.08 12:06 · odgovor na: anon-15281 (#311794)
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markjakin je napisal(a):
MM dobi vedno najvec odziva na njegove prispevke in clanke...bravo.




l.p.
 
fredy miler je tudi imel veliko odziva, pa to še ne pomeni, da je kvaliteten.

http://www.youtube.c...ZdU1aWEpT4< /a>
anon-15281 sporočil: 58
[#311841] 08.09.08 12:39 · odgovor na: anon-24781 (#311798)
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Ne pravim, da je kvaliteten ampak od vseh clankov tukaj je delezen najvecje pozornosti (komentarjev, kritik, pohval....skratka zanimanja).

l.p.
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[#311921] 08.09.08 13:38 · odgovor na: anon-72235 (#311440)
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Zadnja sprememba: anon-123897 08.09.2008 13:40

grechg je napisal(a):
...ker te, večinoma, ne jemljejo več resno!
 
Ko že lokalni forumi ob ptičkih čivkajo te to preseneča. Sicer pa mu je že sopotnik na avionu zatrdil...

Re: Patria affere :  by Tiso   on 05 Sep 2008 21:47 I belive that Finnish reporter has been duped by a slovene reporter who was his contact man. BTW the said slovene reporter Blaž Zgaga obviously has a problem with current PM on a personal level as in the past he accused him of kidnapping and murder ( the person supposedly kinapped and killed is still pretty much alive), arms trafficing and theft (in the 90's slovenia supplied arms and ammo to croatia and bosnia), involvement in arms stealing (one of army depots was broken into in 1999 and some arms were stolen), that before last elections coordinated the border incidents with Croatian PM (according to secret service phone transcripts and recordings obviously only he heard there was never a good explanation who was bugged a neighbouring PM, leader of opposition party or entire traffic between the countries), accusing the PM of stiffling free press and started a pettition among reporters (some later claimed that they were duped into signing) which he then sent all over EU and much much more.... Needles to say that he never showed any evidence for any of his accusations even tough he was always claiming to have evidence he never produced them.

Some of the people interviewed in the show and who were addamant that it is the case of corruption:
- one is a parliamentary mamber of the opposition party and has life partner who has advisory contract with the competition firm Sistemska tehnika. BTW he as a chief of parliementary comision gave the entire technical segment of contract to outside expert (my former colidge prof) who on the same day became a member of leadership of competitor company Sistemska tehnika,
- one was a former chief of police that was sacked at the beggining of term of current goverment becouse he went public with clear partisan party attacks and commentaries (members of Police and military are specificaly forbidden to do that) - he is now a parliamentary candidate of an opposition party
- one was a CEO of competition company Sistemska tehnika that under a previous goverment signed letter of intent for a deal without any formalities i.e. tender, he is also an active member of opposition party
- chief of anti corruption commision is an interesting case. He was a high member of police CID that was involved in a bit of cloack and dagger stuff with then defence minister who is now PM. That case culminated when members of military inteligence and army special unit beaten up a police snitch that infiltrated their ranks (after feeding him desinformation for a few months). Then defence minister, now PM was then dismissed. Thier next run in was when he as a chief of CID in cooperation with some non-govermental agencies started a smear campaign against the "politicaly inapropriate" candidate for position of chief of police school (allegation of war crimes under his command during the 1991 war on Holmec border crossing) and illegaly aquired a phone record of the only jurnalist who wrote about the case and it's political background. In the stink that followed the then leader of the largest opposition party (now PM) made shure he had to leave the police force. He was by then goverment immediatly named as a chief of anti-corruption commision. Needles to say that now PM tried to get rid of him but failed. His brother is a lawyer employed by Patria's competitor Sistemska tehnika which is also sponsoring a sports club that his brother leads.

Now a small disclaimer as i have to addmit that i used to work in MOD in a military technologies depatment (i don't work in MOD any more). I had nothing whatever to do with this case as i worked in a completly different field. I really had to lough when reporter said that competition was slanted in favor of Patria. I can assure you (inside info) that Sistemska tehnika (Patria's competition) was treated more than fairly. For example in original invitation a exclusion condition that a vehicle must already be in production and use was thrown out (Pandur II is still not in use anywhere). When they were preforming terrain tests the companies were supposed to bring products they offered on the tender. Sistemska tehnika offered a vehicle named Krpan (based on Steyer Pandur II but modified) but instead of their prototype they brought a vehicle made by Austrian Steyer i.e. original Pandur II and basicly lied that they assembled it in their factory. That alone should be enough to disqualify the company from competition. They were not disqualified. BTW In terrain tests AMV won hands down but a test comparison vehicle ( old sovier/russian scout BRDM-2 was used for comparison in all terrain driving tests) proved superior to both in terrain drive tests.

BTW airing the show accusing the current PM and subordinates of if not defence minister himself (leader of another coalition party) less than a month before Slovene parliamentary election is suspecious. Also reactions are quite interesting. The ruling coalition want's to see the evidence as the reporter only stated something on the line "we have something but we will not show it becouse we want to protect our sources" (that is his right). And members of opposition are claiming that the legitimate demand of the accused in the show is a smear campaign and attack on the credibility of the reporter and finnish TV and are screeming bloody murder.

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