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A se niso nekaj hvalili, da imajo poheđan fx risk proti rublju?
Sicer se mi zdi da je trg teh instrumentov precej majhen in nizko
likviden.
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Čeprav borzni posredniki že nekaj zadnjih let priporočajo nakup
GRVG, meni ta delnica nekako ne diši. Panoga ni kdo ve kako
dobičkonosna, v okviru panoge pa Gorenje še posebej ni
dobičkonosno, imajo težave z visokimi cenami surovin, sedaj s
padcem rublja...
Kot že rečeno imam nekaj delnic v svojem portfelju že cca 15 let, a vse skupaj je vredno le nekaj sto EUR.
Tudi pri ponujeni dokapitalizaciji malim delničarjem pred nekaj leti, seveda nisem sodeloval. Še danes mi ni žal.
Kot že rečeno imam nekaj delnic v svojem portfelju že cca 15 let, a vse skupaj je vredno le nekaj sto EUR.
Tudi pri ponujeni dokapitalizaciji malim delničarjem pred nekaj leti, seveda nisem sodeloval. Še danes mi ni žal.
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Zadnja sprememba: tilenrexi 01.02.2015 13:19
Hahaha, to so ti različni ukrepi, ki so jih decembra objavili celo
na portalu Seonet. Upam, da niste nasedli tem puhlicam. :)forum.finance.si/?m=...270&single
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2.2.2015
Gorenje published 2014 performance estimate and 2015 business plan:
Year 2014 was affected by challenging conditions in Ukraine and Russia. Economic slowdown and strong rouble depreciation had a negative impact especially in 4Q14.
Estimated revenue for 2014 is 0.3% higher YoY and amounts to EUR 1,244.3m. EBITDA is estimated at EUR 83.4m or 6.6% more YoY while EBIT is estimated at EUR 40m, which is 10.2% more YoY. The Group generated an estimated profit of approximately EUR 0.1m. Net debt to EBITDA is estimated at 3.99 as Gorenje lowered the net debt for EUR 26m during the year (accounting for debt to equity swap for EUR 10m, which took place in mid 2014).
This 2014 data is lower than management guidance at the beginning of the year: revenues of EUR 1,287m, EBIDTA 93.7m and profit of EUR 12m. This is also below our expectations as after 3Q14 we estimated EBITDA at 89.3m (however we noted a miss is likely since situation regarding RUB deteriorated after that). It is true however the results could be worse given environment.
For 2015 the Group plans to generate revenues in the amount of EUR 1,216.1m (-2.3% YoY). EBIT is planned at EUR 43.1m (+8% YoY) and EBITDA at EUR 92.9m (+11.4% YoY). The Group is planning to end the year 2015 with a net profit of EUR 6.1m. Again this is below our expectations as we forecasted EBITDA at EUR 97m and profit at EUR 10m, however again we should note that Russian situation deteriorated further in 4Q14 and will likely drag on during 2015.
Nevertheless we see the announcement as a disappointment and in our FY2014 report (after detailed annual report is
vailable) we will need to make adjustment to forecasts – Gorenje results just can’t catch a break.
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Copyright: 2009 MP, Poteza, Publikum, investicijske storitve, d.d.. All rights reserved.
For further information please contact: MP, Poteza, Publikum, investicijske storitve, d.d.,
brand name Alta Invest, 18, Zelezna Str., 1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia
Tel.: +386 1 320 03 10 , fax: +386 1 320 03 01,
e-mail: info@alta.si, web site: www.alta.si
Gorenje published 2014 performance estimate and 2015 business plan:
Year 2014 was affected by challenging conditions in Ukraine and Russia. Economic slowdown and strong rouble depreciation had a negative impact especially in 4Q14.
Estimated revenue for 2014 is 0.3% higher YoY and amounts to EUR 1,244.3m. EBITDA is estimated at EUR 83.4m or 6.6% more YoY while EBIT is estimated at EUR 40m, which is 10.2% more YoY. The Group generated an estimated profit of approximately EUR 0.1m. Net debt to EBITDA is estimated at 3.99 as Gorenje lowered the net debt for EUR 26m during the year (accounting for debt to equity swap for EUR 10m, which took place in mid 2014).
This 2014 data is lower than management guidance at the beginning of the year: revenues of EUR 1,287m, EBIDTA 93.7m and profit of EUR 12m. This is also below our expectations as after 3Q14 we estimated EBITDA at 89.3m (however we noted a miss is likely since situation regarding RUB deteriorated after that). It is true however the results could be worse given environment.
For 2015 the Group plans to generate revenues in the amount of EUR 1,216.1m (-2.3% YoY). EBIT is planned at EUR 43.1m (+8% YoY) and EBITDA at EUR 92.9m (+11.4% YoY). The Group is planning to end the year 2015 with a net profit of EUR 6.1m. Again this is below our expectations as we forecasted EBITDA at EUR 97m and profit at EUR 10m, however again we should note that Russian situation deteriorated further in 4Q14 and will likely drag on during 2015.
Nevertheless we see the announcement as a disappointment and in our FY2014 report (after detailed annual report is
vailable) we will need to make adjustment to forecasts – Gorenje results just can’t catch a break.
***
Copyright: 2009 MP, Poteza, Publikum, investicijske storitve, d.d.. All rights reserved.
For further information please contact: MP, Poteza, Publikum, investicijske storitve, d.d.,
brand name Alta Invest, 18, Zelezna Str., 1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia
Tel.: +386 1 320 03 10 , fax: +386 1 320 03 01,
e-mail: info@alta.si, web site: www.alta.si
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We see the announcement as a disappointment and in our FY2014
report (after detailed annual report is vailable) we will need to
make adjustment to forecasts – Gorenje results just can’t catch a
break.
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Aha. Hvala.
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Aha. Hvala.
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Sam komercialni zapisi pa grejo za med:
seonet.ljse.si/?doc=...c_id=56631
seonet.ljse.si/?doc=...c_id=56631
sporočil: 6.775
Si med kupci ali čemu takšno veselje? Sploh veš kakšen je interest
coverage za GRVG?
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Zadnja sprememba: tilenrexi 22.02.2015 11:29
Tile kupci so samo ocenili, da težave v Rusiji ne bodo sprožile
bankrota Gorenja prej kot v 10 mesecih. Na borzi GRVG pada kot
kamen, 30% off od 9/15/2014. Tam pri 4 EUR so se že najdli kupci,
mogoče se bodo spet.
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Zadnja sprememba: tilenrexi 22.02.2015 12:06
Normalen človek tako ali tako misli, da je tole že šlo v
franže;Greš na Google in vtipkaš : Gorenje investor relations --> error Page Not Found (prvi zadetek)
Gorenje finančni koledar --> error Page Not Found (prvi zadetek), drugi zadetek je koledar iz 2012!
Greš na SEONET, ker pač veš, da so tam objave, najdeš;
"Objava finančnega koledarja za poslovno leto 2015" v priponki pa;
Pripeti dokumenti: Gorenje Finančni koledar objav 2014
To so osnove! Šalabajzerstvo okrog in okrog.
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Ok. Sam še vedno, če pogledamo Gorenje so vsaj uspeli hedgat
rubelj, ker z njihovo nizko profitno maržo bi lahko hitro nabili
izgubo. Prihodke jim je uspelo povečati, rastli so tudi v Nemčiji
in Sloveniji in povečali tržne deleže + krepko so izboljšali
poslovanje nad črto.
Temeljno je pa Gorenje glede na načrt za 2015 izjemno poceni pri 4,8 kratniku EBITDA - krepko pod konkurenti. Tako, da ko se razmere umirijo bi lahko bilo Gorenje zaradi konsolidacije v panogi hitro prevzemna tarča krepko nad današnjo ceno in pri tejle ceni 5,14 evra je po moji oceni že dober nakup.
Temeljno je pa Gorenje glede na načrt za 2015 izjemno poceni pri 4,8 kratniku EBITDA - krepko pod konkurenti. Tako, da ko se razmere umirijo bi lahko bilo Gorenje zaradi konsolidacije v panogi hitro prevzemna tarča krepko nad današnjo ceno in pri tejle ceni 5,14 evra je po moji oceni že dober nakup.
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Nič ne rečem, vendar management, ki več let zapored ne doseže niti
priližno tega, kar si zastavi, ni vreden mojega denarja.
Nizka vrednotenost je tudi zaradi tega, ker za negotovost kupci niso pripravljeni plačati dodatne premije.
Nizka vrednotenost je tudi zaradi tega, ker za negotovost kupci niso pripravljeni plačati dodatne premije.
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čas vnosa: 28.02.15 12:10
ob predpostavki, da GRVG-u uspe eno dobro leto je vzvod za rast
velik in uspelo mu bo,slejkoprej. Tu so še v špilu možni prevzemi,
kar bi bilo še najboljše, da se zmečejo ven ti naši super sposobni
menedžerji, ki jih vsako leto vedno kaj "preseneti", da so konc
leta daleč od predvidenega plana. Mene jezijo že 2 leti :)
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Ja, zadeva se umirja. Si pa ne upam nič napovedati. Samo, slabše
kot je bil Q4 lanskega leta ne more biti.
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17.3.2015
Posli s svežnji
GRVG GORENJE 5,3000 5,3000 0,45 85.162 2
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85.162 lotov @ 5,3 EUR
Posli s svežnji
GRVG GORENJE 5,3000 5,3000 0,45 85.162 2
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85.162 lotov @ 5,3 EUR
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tega pa (še) nisem videl...
se k čemu kaj pripravlja? imaš kakšno kalkulacijo oz pogled na Q1 mogoče?
dobrodošla široka razprava ;)
počasi bo marca konec in prihaja trenutek resnice...biti ali ne biti ;)
se k čemu kaj pripravlja? imaš kakšno kalkulacijo oz pogled na Q1 mogoče?
dobrodošla široka razprava ;)
počasi bo marca konec in prihaja trenutek resnice...biti ali ne biti ;)
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Zadnja sprememba: anon-148375 27.03.2015 07:19
Ne vem, če bo tole držalo.EUR /RUB (1.1.2015) : 72,3370
EUR /RUB (26.3.2015) :62,7707
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