Odlična priložnost za nakup delnic Boeinga.

Ja, ta postopek certificiranja je bil hudo sporen. In od tega izhaja tudi problem zakaj MCAS ni bil sploh pilotom viden in se o njem niso ucili - ker bi naj predstavljal kos aviona ki je nelocljiv od strukture letala. Tisti moment, ko pilot MCAS izklopi, ne letalo in ne pilot nista certificirana. V bistvu izklopa MCASa v teoriji ne sme biti.

malo bolj podrobno www.seattletimes.com...air-crash/

No, sedaj naj pa Evropa Američanom za 15 milijard EUR kazni da. Ker so goljufali, zavajali in ogrožali življenja ljudi. Pa tiralico za prvim možem Boeinga.

U.S. Federal Aviation Administration employees warned as early as seven years ago that Boeing had too much sway over safety approvals of new aircraft, prompting an investigation by Transportation Department auditors who confirmed the agency hadn’t done enough to “hold Boeing accountable.”

The 2012 investigation also found that discord over Boeing’s treatment had created a “negative work environment” among FAA employees who approve new and modified aircraft designs, with many of them saying they’d faced retaliation for speaking up. Their concerns pre-dated the 737 Max development.

In recent years, the FAA has shifted more authority over the approval of new aircraft to the manufacturer itself, even allowing Boeing to choose many of the personnel who oversee tests and vouch for safety. Just in the past few months, Congress expanded the outsourcing arrangement even further.

www.bloomberg.com/ne...under-fire

Po nekaj sto umrlih se položaj jasni. Sindikati pilotov Southwest Airlines in American Airlines so večkrat zaprosili Boeing za razvoj simulatorja za model Max, žal prošnje so bile neuslišane, tudi ameriška Zvezna uprava za letalstvo je ugotovila, da ni potrebno dodatno usposabljanje pilotov. Predsednik združenja pilotov Southwest Airlines, Greg Bowen je dejal, da podatki, potrebni za sestavljanje simulatorja letenja, niso bili na voljo, dokler letalo ni bilo pripravljeno za letenje. Skupina pilotov, ki so preizkusili novega Maxa je napisala 13-stranski uporabniški priročnik o razlikah med tem modelom in njegovim predhodnikom vključno z razlikami na armaturni plošči in turbinamii, nihče pa ni omenil posebnosti nove programske opreme MCAS, ki pod določenimi pogoji usmerja "nos" letala navzdol.

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U.S. Federal Aviation Administration employees warned as early as seven years ago that Boeing had too much sway over safety approvals of new aircraft, prompting an investigation by Transportation Department auditors who confirmed the agency hadn’t done enough to “hold Boeing accountable.”

The 2012 investigation also found that discord over Boeing’s treatment had created a “negative work environment” among FAA employees who approve new and modified aircraft designs, with many of them saying they’d faced retaliation for speaking up. Their concerns pre-dated the 737 Max development.

In recent years, the FAA has shifted more authority over the approval of new aircraft to the manufacturer itself, even allowing Boeing to choose many of the personnel who oversee tests and vouch for safety. Just in the past few months, Congress expanded the outsourcing arrangement even further.

www.bloomberg.com/ne...under-fire

Kot sem že prej napisal, žrtve so žrtev "vitke" države...

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www.seattletimes.com...air-crash/

Both Boeing and the FAA were informed of the specifics of this story and were asked for responses 11 days ago, before the second crash of a 737 MAX last Sunday.

Faaak.

[kren]
> [sopranos]
> Pa tiralico za prvim možem Airbusa.

Zakaj pa Airbusa?

Zato ker sem se zmotil. :) Hotel sem napisati Boeinga.

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U.S. Federal Aviation Administration employees warned as early as seven years ago that Boeing had too much sway over safety approvals of new aircraft, prompting an investigation by Transportation Department auditors who confirmed the agency hadn’t done enough to “hold Boeing accountable.”

WSJ poroca da je DOT uvedel preiskavo, ki ima glede na razkrite podatke kriminalno naravo.

www.wsj.com/articles...1552868400

"...unusual inquiries that come amid probes of regulators’ safety approvals of the new plane.

A grand jury in Washington, D.C., issued a broad subpoena dated March 11 to at least one person involved in the 737 MAX’s development, seeking related documents, including correspondence, emails and other messages, one of these people said. The subpoena, with a prosecutor from the Justice Department’s criminal division listed as a contact, sought documents to be handed over later this month.

It wasn’t immediately clear whether the Justice Department’s probe is related to scrutiny of the Federal Aviation Administration by the DOT inspector general’s office, reported earlier Sunday by The Wall Street Journal and that focuses on a safety system that has been implicated in the Oct. 29 Lion Air crash that killed 189 people, according to a government official briefed on its status."

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Vedno z nova se pa zamolči dejstvo, da se je nesreča v Indoneziji zgodila, potem ko so zamenjali "pokvarjene" senzorje vpadnega kota po prejšnih poletih s težavami.

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> U.S. Federal Aviation Administration employees warned as early as seven years ago that Boeing had too much sway over safety approvals of new aircraft, prompting an investigation by Transportation Department auditors who confirmed the agency hadn’t done enough to “hold Boeing accountable.”
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> The 2012 investigation also found that discord over Boeing’s treatment had created a “negative work environment” among FAA employees who approve new and modified aircraft designs, with many of them saying they’d faced retaliation for speaking up. Their concerns pre-dated the 737 Max development.
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> In recent years, the FAA has shifted more authority over the approval of new aircraft to the manufacturer itself, even allowing Boeing to choose many of the personnel who oversee tests and vouch for safety. Just in the past few months, Congress expanded the outsourcing arrangement even further.
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> www.bloomberg.com/ne...under-fire

Kot sem že prej napisal, žrtve so žrtev "vitke" države...

Še malo v to smer:

www.forbes.com/sites...sight/amp/

Two Executive Orders signed by President Donald Trump, that require the FAA to cut regulations further, may have tipped the balance by diminishing FAA authority and focusing the agency on working against its principal aim.

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> [crt]
> U.S. Federal Aviation Administration employees warned as early as seven years ago that Boeing had too much sway over safety approvals of new aircraft, prompting an investigation by Transportation Department auditors who confirmed the agency hadn’t done enough to “hold Boeing accountable.”
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> The 2012 investigation also found that discord over Boeing’s treatment had created a “negative work environment” among FAA employees who approve new and modified aircraft designs, with many of them saying they’d faced retaliation for speaking up. Their concerns pre-dated the 737 Max development.
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> In recent years, the FAA has shifted more authority over the approval of new aircraft to the manufacturer itself, even allowing Boeing to choose many of the personnel who oversee tests and vouch for safety. Just in the past few months, Congress expanded the outsourcing arrangement even further.
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> www.bloomberg.com/ne...under-fire

Kot sem že prej napisal, žrtve so žrtev "vitke" države...

... ja, ampak žrtve so žrtev "vitke" države z močno vojsko, ki je za nove žrtve vedno na razpolago ...

Sindikati v Ameriki se očitno ne osredotočajo samo na višje plače, ampak jih dejansko zanima tudi strokovnost in znanje. Pohvalno.
Pri nas je zgodba drugačna...

Me zanima, kako je pri nas zgodba drugačna? Ker imaš očitno "vpogled v zadeve", boš lahko postregel s konkretnimi primeri ....

Pilots trained for Boeing’s 737 Max airplane with “an iPad lesson for an hour”

The FAA didn’t mark out MCAS in its documentation comparing the 737 Max 8 and the 737-800, meant to guide training for the Max, as a difference.

Pilots have said they first became aware of the new flight system after the Lion Air crash, when the FAA ordered 737 Max manuals to be updated and Boeing issued information directing airlines to override procedures.

qz.com/1574878/pilot...ad-lesson/

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Pilots trained for Boeing’s 737 Max airplane with “an iPad lesson for an hour”

The FAA didn’t mark out MCAS in its documentation comparing the 737 Max 8 and the 737-800, meant to guide training for the Max, as a difference.

Pilots have said they first became aware of the new flight system after the Lion Air crash, when the FAA ordered 737 Max manuals to be updated and Boeing issued information directing airlines to override procedures.

qz.com/1574878/pilot...ad-lesson/

Ars technica ima odlicno dokumentirano zgodbo, ki tudi deloma pojasnjuje, zakaj so se v preiskavo ze vkljucili kriminalisti.

arstechnica.com/info...es-safety/

Na kratko:

1) FAA je zaradi sparanja "deputizirala" vedno vec boeingovih inzenirjev, da so delali njeno delo. Ok, to je konflikt interesov, ampak to pocnejo ze desetletja.
2) FAA je opustila nadzor in management teh inzenirjevo, tako da so bili pod izjemnim pritiskom sefov, da naj certificirajo vprasljive tehnicne odlocitve
3) Inzenirji so sedaj ocitno pripravljeni pricati to that effect
4) Med drugim, to je razkril Seattle Times, je v dokumentaciji za certifikacijo Boeing navedel da je maksimalni vpliv na vertikalne stabilizatorje, ki ga lahko izvede neslavni MCAS, 0.6 stopinje, kar pomeni maksimalni odklon aviona 5 stopinj navzdol. Izkazalo se je, da ima koncna verzija aviona 4x vecji maksimalni odklon, kar pomeni da lahko MCAS nagne avion za 20 stopinj proti zemlji, kar je hudo drugace.
5) Boeing je MCAS dokumentiral kot za letenje nepomemben del, katerega odpoved kvecjemu poveca nelagodje potnikov, zato ga je lahko vezal na en edini senzor. Preiskovalci se strinjajo da je to absolutno norost, gre za sistem, ki je kriticnega pomena za letenje in bi moral biti tako klasificiran, kar pomeni da bi za certifikacijo rabil vec neodvisnih senzorjev.
6) DODATEK: ker se sistem ne deaktivira ko ga pilota s krmilno palico popravita, ampak se aktivira nazaj, to pomeni da je po 2 aktivacijah v najslabsem primeru obrnil avin ze za 40 stopinj proti zemlji, po treh 60, itd...
7) Indonezijska pilota sta se dobesedno borila z MCAS sistemom na zivljenje in smrt, vklopil se je 25 krat in 25 krat avion obrnil navzdol...

Tudi ce se izkaze da je bil vzrok etiopskega crasha cist nekaj drugega, je macek ze tako dalec iz vrece, da to zna imeti hude posledice za a) Boeing 2) zaupanje v FAA, ki ji implicitno verjamejo druge avtio agencije po svetu (tudi evropska), c) airworthiness prizemljenih 737MAX

Baje so brazilci edini ki so za prevzem certiifikacije zahtevali da se MCAS ze takoj na zacetku dokumentira v gradivih za pilote, evropsko agencijo pa je FAA dobesedno prisilila v strinjanje (morda so jim grozili da bodo ovirali certifikacije airbusov, ce ne sprejmejo certifikata 737, ki ga je izdala FAA).

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> [crt]
> Pilots trained for Boeing’s 737 Max airplane with “an iPad lesson for an hour”
>
> The FAA didn’t mark out MCAS in its documentation comparing the 737 Max 8 and the 737-800, meant to guide training for the Max, as a difference.
>
> Pilots have said they first became aware of the new flight system after the Lion Air crash, when the FAA ordered 737 Max manuals to be updated and Boeing issued information directing airlines to override procedures.
>
> qz.com/1574878/pilot...ad-lesson/

Ars technica ima odlicno dokumentirano zgodbo, ki tudi deloma pojasnjuje, zakaj so se v preiskavo ze vkljucili kriminalisti.

arstechnica.com/info...es-safety/

Na kratko:

1) FAA je zaradi sparanja "deputizirala" vedno vec boeingovih inzenirjev, da so delali njeno delo. Ok, to je konflikt interesov, ampak to pocnejo ze desetletja.
2) FAA je opustila nadzor in management teh inzenirjevo, tako da so bili pod izjemnim pritiskom sefov, da naj certificirajo vprasljive tehnicne odlocitve
3) Inzenirji so sedaj ocitno pripravljeni pricati to that effect
4) Med drugim, to je razkril Seattle Times, je v dokumentaciji za certifikacijo Boeing navedel da je maksimalni vpliv na vertikalne stabilizatorje, ki ga lahko izvede neslavni MCAS, 0.6 stopinje, kar pomeni maksimalni odklon aviona 5 stopinj navzdol. Izkazalo se je, da ima koncna verzija aviona 4x vecji maksimalni odklon, kar pomeni da lahko MCAS nagne avion za 20 stopinj proti zemlji, kar je hudo drugace.
5) Boeing je MCAS dokumentiral kot za letenje nepomemben del, katerega odpoved kvecjemu poveca nelagodje potnikov, zato ga je lahko vezal na en edini senzor. Preiskovalci se strinjajo da je to absolutno norost, gre za sistem, ki je kriticnega pomena za letenje in bi moral biti tako klasificiran, kar pomeni da bi za certifikacijo rabil vec neodvisnih senzorjev.
6) DODATEK: ker se sistem ne deaktivira ko ga pilota s krmilno palico popravita, ampak se aktivira nazaj, to pomeni da je po 2 aktivacijah v najslabsem primeru obrnil avin ze za 40 stopinj proti zemlji, po treh 60, itd...
7) Indonezijska pilota sta se dobesedno borila z MCAS sistemom na zivljenje in smrt, vklopil se je 25 krat in 25 krat avion obrnil navzdol...

Tudi ce se izkaze da je bil vzrok etiopskega crasha cist nekaj drugega, je macek ze tako dalec iz vrece, da to zna imeti hude posledice za a) Boeing 2) zaupanje v FAA, ki ji implicitno verjamejo druge avtio agencije po svetu (tudi evropska), c) airworthiness prizemljenih 737MAX

Baje so brazilci edini ki so za prevzem certiifikacije zahtevali da se MCAS ze takoj na zacetku dokumentira v gradivih za pilote, evropsko agencijo pa je FAA dobesedno prisilila v strinjanje (morda so jim grozili da bodo ovirali certifikacije airbusov, ce ne sprejmejo certifikata 737, ki ga je izdala FAA).

... holy shit ! ... alzo, če jaz zdaj tole prav razumem, sem se zadnjič forum.finance.si/?m=...954&single zmotil, ker nisem verjel, so Američani takšni nori prasci, da bi zaradi večjega profita ljudi zavestno pošiljali v smrt, ti pa si se zmotil, ker takrat še sam nisi verjel, da si imel prav ...

P.S.: kot sem takrat napisal, bi vsaka druga firma na svetu zaradi takega nepojmljivega zločina lahko zaprla štacuno, ampak Američani so pač premočni in bodo z nekaj zaprtimi inženirji v Boeingu odšli v nove delovne zmage še močnejši, kot so sedaj ...

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> malo bolj podrobno www.seattletimes.com...air-crash/

www.seattletimes.com...air-crash/

Both Boeing and the FAA were informed of the specifics of this story and were asked for responses 11 days ago, before the second crash of a 737 MAX last Sunday.

Faaak.

Tole bi znalo bit precej huje kot Ford Pinto....

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> > malo bolj podrobno www.seattletimes.com...air-crash/
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> www.seattletimes.com...air-crash/
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> Both Boeing and the FAA were informed of the specifics of this story and were asked for responses 11 days ago, before the second crash of a 737 MAX last Sunday.
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> Faaak.

Tole bi znalo bit precej huje kot Ford Pinto....

Po mnenju nekaterih bo Boeingova odgovornost zapecatena s tem, da so ponujali indikator "AOA disagree" (torej indikator da je eden od AOA senzorjev pokvarjen) kot dodatno opcijo in ne kot standardno opremo. . Na te senzorje se opira MCAS (ampak samo enega od obeh!).

Recimo, vsi ameriski 737MAX imajo to not, ker so pac ameriske druzbe to dokupile. Zato verjetno ni bilo vecjih protestov med ameriskimi piloti, ko je FAA odlasala z groundingom.

Po mnenju nekaterih bo Boeingova odgovornost zapecatena

odgovornost? a od dobavitelja ameriske vojske, ki nadzira celoten planet? a temle bodo ugotavljali odgovornost. ma nemoj...

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> Po mnenju nekaterih bo Boeingova odgovornost zapecatena

odgovornost? a od dobavitelja ameriske vojske, ki nadzira celoten planet? a temle bodo ugotavljali odgovornost. ma nemoj...

Morali bodo ze zato, ker drugace ostale agencije ne bodo vec priznavale certifikatov FAA. Ce bo 737 smel leteti samo na notranjih linijah ZDA, bo totalen market failure.

V bistvu so to male grablje, na katere so sami stopili.

Ker so strogočo s falsificiranimi testiranji že trenirali na FalschWagnu z izpusti... Bi bilo skrajno ironično da bi se jim pa tole zdaj zataknilo v grlu...

Naročenih je 5000 letal tega tipa, dobavljenih pa 376.

IN pol ko prebereš... da morajo "pušnit" en sotver patch (LOL, k updejt od windowsov....)

Se pa bojim, da bi bilo čisto drugače, če bi ta dva frčoplana padla dol nekje v hosti v up-state NY, kakor pa nekje v Afriki....

Se pa bojim, da bi bilo čisto drugače, če bi ta dva frčoplana padla dol nekje v hosti v up-state NY, kakor pa nekje v Afriki....

bi bilo ja, ker takrat bi bili ziher krivi teroristi.