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Zadnja sprememba: anon-108605 28.11.2010 21:01
Pahor bi verejtno vse zapornike pripeljal v Slo samo, da bi se ob
Obami slikal... a žal sta njegov domet le Gadafi in Kosorjeva.
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Se vidi, kako nas imajo za poceni robo. Naj rajši lepo podpišejo
letalski sporazum ali pa odstopijo kakšen posel za nas v Iraqu ali
Afganistanu. To bi bilo seveda že preveč.
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Zadnja sprememba: anon-220749 28.11.2010 21:08
[roba71]Zakaj pa nas nebi imeli za poceni robo, pod večnim zunanjim ministrom smo bili cenena vzhodnoevropska prostitutka, ki je mile volje podpisovala pisma podpore raznoraznim plenilskim pohodom po iraško nafto.
Se vidi, kako nas imajo za poceni robo. Naj rajši lepo podpišejo letalski sporazum ali pa odstopijo kakšen posel za nas v Iraqu ali Afganistanu. To bi bilo seveda že preveč.
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Jah valjda da bi, kamele, zapornike, vse za en or even better 2
fotoshootinga. Narciosidnosti slo "veleumov" brez skrbi us
profiler-ji niso spregledali! To se ze v osnovnih prijemih vidi!
Tudi to kaksneha trojanskega konja jim prodajajo z Amcham zasedbo
je povsem znano in jasno! Ampak samo, da se slovenksa jara gospoda
zabava na racun, se ve koga :-) O Slo Silicijevi dolini pa ni da ni
vicev. Bolj tocni sinonim je seveda Sicilijeva dolina :-) Joj kako
hudo bo ko se bodo eni zbudili iz svojih sanj kako uspensi so s
svojimi "prijemi". 220 let staro demokracijo 18 letnik z v vlado v
sestavi kurje farme tezko obrne..
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Kaj pa če bi raje povzemali iz kakšnih drugih virov, npr. spemljali
tuje medije. Na BBCju smo bili omenjeni ravno v povezavi, z zahtevo
o sprejetju zapornika iz Guantanama, v istem stavku so bili
omenjeni še Kiribati... Bo zanimivo spremljati tole razkritje.
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Tole bo še zanimivo
www.guardian.co.uk/w...ssy-cables
Wikileaks je po objavi nedosegljiv, še dobro, da je več velikih medijev istočasno objavilo te podatke.
Wikileaks je po objavi nedosegljiv, še dobro, da je več velikih medijev istočasno objavilo te podatke.
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"No, Pahorja bojo zdaj zaputili še zadnji jugofili. Take
kolaboracije z imperialisti mu ne bodo odpustili nikoli :-))"
Nic bat, bodo PR zvezde to zapakirale spet po stari pesmi " ne j... mi Amerov" ali kako se ze tukaj rece? Tudi o tem ze pticke civkajo, ko govorijo o the land v kateri se imajo za glavne Jacke na balkanu.. :-)
Nic bat, bodo PR zvezde to zapakirale spet po stari pesmi " ne j... mi Amerov" ali kako se ze tukaj rece? Tudi o tem ze pticke civkajo, ko govorijo o the land v kateri se imajo za glavne Jacke na balkanu.. :-)
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[mirci]Torej gre "very strange" na obisk k "just strange". LOL
Tole bo še zanimivo www.guardian.co.uk/w...ssy-cables
while Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, is "just strange" according to an adviser to Sultan Qaboos of Oman.
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Gre za dezelo za katero v New Yorku velja, da se manj splaca
oglasevati v njej kot na lokalni podzmeni, ampak kaj cmo, tudi to
zna povprecni slovenski politicni egomaniak zracionalizirat sebi v
prid!
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Ni, ni :-) niti slucajno, ne smemo podcenjevati slovenske prirojene
ljubezni do trpljenja. Zato se pa tako lepo primejo: katolicizem,
socializem, diktature, uprave brez rezultatov, pogoji za poslovanje
v katerih bi se Opec crknil, itd...
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In kdo je posredoval podatke:
Zanimivo, na CD-RW-ju je tip metal podatke dan in noč. CD-RW z musko Lady Ga-ga. Hahahaha v posmeh ameriškim oblastem, pentagonu in njihovim top sekret variantam.
Še bo zanimivo.
Še link od strani:
www.guardian.co.uk/w...les-leaked
in članek iz guardiana, angleškega časnika!!!
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Bradley Manning, left, is accused of stealing classified files released by Julian Assange, right US soldier Bradley Manning, left, who is accused of stealing the classified files and handing the database to the WikiLeaks website of Julian Assange, right. Photograph: Associated Press/AFP/Getty Images
An innocuous-looking memory stick, no longer than a couple of fingernails, came into the hands of a Guardian reporter earlier this year. The device is so small it will hang easily on a keyring. But its contents will send shockwaves through the world's chancelleries and deliver what one official described as "an epic blow" to US diplomacy.
The 1.6 gigabytes of text files on the memory stick ran to millions of words: the contents of more than 250,000 leaked state department cables, sent from, or to, US embassies around the world.
What will emerge in the days and weeks ahead is an unprecedented picture of secret diplomacy as conducted by the planet's sole superpower. There are 251,287 dispatches in all, from more than 250 US embassies and consulates. They reveal how the US deals with both its allies and its enemies - negotiating, pressuring and sometimes brusquely denigrating foreign leaders, all behind the firewalls of ciphers and secrecy classifications that diplomats assume to be secure. The leaked cables range up to the "SECRET NOFORN" level, which means they are meant never to be shown to non-US citizens.
As well as conventional political analyses, some of the cables contain detailed accounts of corruption by foreign regimes, as well as intelligence on undercover arms shipments, human trafficking and sanction-busting efforts by would-be nuclear states such as Iran and Libya. Some are based on interviews with local sources while others are general impressions and briefings written for top state department visitors who may be unfamiliar with local nuances.
Intended to be read by officials in Washington up to the level of the secretary of state, the cables are generally drafted by the ambassador or subordinates. Although their contents are often startling and troubling, the cables are unlikely to gratify conspiracy theorists. They do not contain evidence of assassination plots, CIA bribery or such criminal enterprises as the Iran-Contra scandal in the Reagan years, when anti-Nicaraguan guerrillas were covertly financed.
One reason may be that America's most sensitive "top secret" and above foreign intelligence files cannot be accessed from Siprnet, the defence department network involved.
The US military believes it knows where the leak originated. A soldier, Bradley Manning, 22, has been held in solitary confinement for the last seven months and is facing a court martial in the new year. The former intelligence analyst is charged with unauthorised downloads of classified material while serving on an army base outside Baghdad. He is suspected of taking copies not only of the state department archive, but also of video of an Apache helicopter crew gunning down civilians in Baghdad, and hundreds of thousands of daily war logs from military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.
It was childishly easy, according to the published chatlog of a conversation Manning had with a fellow-hacker. "I would come in with music on a CD-RW labelled with something like 'Lady Gaga' ... erase the music ... then write a compressed split file. No one suspected a thing ... listened and lip-synched to Lady Gaga's Telephone while exfiltrating possibly the largest data spillage in American history." He said that he "had unprecedented access to classified networks 14 hours a day 7 days a week for 8+ months".
Manning told his correspondent Adrian Lamo, who subsequently denounced him to the authorities: "Hillary Clinton and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available, in searchable format, to the public ... Everywhere there's a US post, there's a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed. Worldwide anarchy in CSV format ... It's beautiful, and horrifying."
He added: "Information should be free. It belongs in the public domain."
Manning, according to the chatlogs, says he uploaded the copies to WikiLeaks, the "freedom of information activists" as he called them, led by Australian former hacker Julian Assange.
Assange and his circle apparently decided against immediately making the cables public. Instead they embarked on staged disclosure of the other material - aimed, as they put it on their website, at "maximising political impact".
In April at a Washington press conference the group released the Apache helicopter video, titling it Collateral Murder.
The Guardian's Nick Davies brokered an agreement with Assange to hand over in advance two further sets of military field reports on Iraq and Afghanistan so professional journalists could analyse them. Published earlier this year simultaneously with the New York Times and Der Spiegel in Germany, the analyses revealed that coalition forces killed civilians in previously unreported shootings and handed over prisoners to be tortured.
The revelations shot Assange and WikiLeaks to global prominence but led to angry denunciations from the Pentagon and calls from extreme rightwingers in the US that Assange be arrested or even assassinated. This month Sweden issued an international warrant for Assange, for questioning about alleged sexual assaults. His lawyer says the allegations spring from unprotected but otherwise consensual sex with two women.
WikiLeaks says it is now planning to post a selection of the cables. Meanwhile, a Guardian team of expert writers has been spending months combing through the data. Freedom of information campaigner Heather Brooke obtained a copy of the database through her own contacts and joined the Guardian team. The paper is to publish independently, but simultaneously with the New York Times and Der Spiegel, along with Le Monde in Paris and El País in Madrid. As on previous occasions the Guardian is redacting information likely to cause reprisals against vulnerable individuals.
Zanimivo, na CD-RW-ju je tip metal podatke dan in noč. CD-RW z musko Lady Ga-ga. Hahahaha v posmeh ameriškim oblastem, pentagonu in njihovim top sekret variantam.
Še bo zanimivo.
Še link od strani:
www.guardian.co.uk/w...les-leaked
in članek iz guardiana, angleškega časnika!!!
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How 250,000 US embassy cables were leaked
From a fake Lady Gaga CD to a thumb drive that is a pocket-sized bombshell - the biggest intelligence leak in history
*
o
o Share247
o Reddit
o Buzz up
* David Leigh
* * guardian.co.uk, Sunday 28 November 2010 18.14 GMT Article history
Bradley Manning, left, is accused of stealing classified files released by Julian Assange, right US soldier Bradley Manning, left, who is accused of stealing the classified files and handing the database to the WikiLeaks website of Julian Assange, right. Photograph: Associated Press/AFP/Getty Images
An innocuous-looking memory stick, no longer than a couple of fingernails, came into the hands of a Guardian reporter earlier this year. The device is so small it will hang easily on a keyring. But its contents will send shockwaves through the world's chancelleries and deliver what one official described as "an epic blow" to US diplomacy.
The 1.6 gigabytes of text files on the memory stick ran to millions of words: the contents of more than 250,000 leaked state department cables, sent from, or to, US embassies around the world.
What will emerge in the days and weeks ahead is an unprecedented picture of secret diplomacy as conducted by the planet's sole superpower. There are 251,287 dispatches in all, from more than 250 US embassies and consulates. They reveal how the US deals with both its allies and its enemies - negotiating, pressuring and sometimes brusquely denigrating foreign leaders, all behind the firewalls of ciphers and secrecy classifications that diplomats assume to be secure. The leaked cables range up to the "SECRET NOFORN" level, which means they are meant never to be shown to non-US citizens.
As well as conventional political analyses, some of the cables contain detailed accounts of corruption by foreign regimes, as well as intelligence on undercover arms shipments, human trafficking and sanction-busting efforts by would-be nuclear states such as Iran and Libya. Some are based on interviews with local sources while others are general impressions and briefings written for top state department visitors who may be unfamiliar with local nuances.
Intended to be read by officials in Washington up to the level of the secretary of state, the cables are generally drafted by the ambassador or subordinates. Although their contents are often startling and troubling, the cables are unlikely to gratify conspiracy theorists. They do not contain evidence of assassination plots, CIA bribery or such criminal enterprises as the Iran-Contra scandal in the Reagan years, when anti-Nicaraguan guerrillas were covertly financed.
One reason may be that America's most sensitive "top secret" and above foreign intelligence files cannot be accessed from Siprnet, the defence department network involved.
The US military believes it knows where the leak originated. A soldier, Bradley Manning, 22, has been held in solitary confinement for the last seven months and is facing a court martial in the new year. The former intelligence analyst is charged with unauthorised downloads of classified material while serving on an army base outside Baghdad. He is suspected of taking copies not only of the state department archive, but also of video of an Apache helicopter crew gunning down civilians in Baghdad, and hundreds of thousands of daily war logs from military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.
It was childishly easy, according to the published chatlog of a conversation Manning had with a fellow-hacker. "I would come in with music on a CD-RW labelled with something like 'Lady Gaga' ... erase the music ... then write a compressed split file. No one suspected a thing ... listened and lip-synched to Lady Gaga's Telephone while exfiltrating possibly the largest data spillage in American history." He said that he "had unprecedented access to classified networks 14 hours a day 7 days a week for 8+ months".
Manning told his correspondent Adrian Lamo, who subsequently denounced him to the authorities: "Hillary Clinton and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available, in searchable format, to the public ... Everywhere there's a US post, there's a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed. Worldwide anarchy in CSV format ... It's beautiful, and horrifying."
He added: "Information should be free. It belongs in the public domain."
Manning, according to the chatlogs, says he uploaded the copies to WikiLeaks, the "freedom of information activists" as he called them, led by Australian former hacker Julian Assange.
Assange and his circle apparently decided against immediately making the cables public. Instead they embarked on staged disclosure of the other material - aimed, as they put it on their website, at "maximising political impact".
In April at a Washington press conference the group released the Apache helicopter video, titling it Collateral Murder.
The Guardian's Nick Davies brokered an agreement with Assange to hand over in advance two further sets of military field reports on Iraq and Afghanistan so professional journalists could analyse them. Published earlier this year simultaneously with the New York Times and Der Spiegel in Germany, the analyses revealed that coalition forces killed civilians in previously unreported shootings and handed over prisoners to be tortured.
The revelations shot Assange and WikiLeaks to global prominence but led to angry denunciations from the Pentagon and calls from extreme rightwingers in the US that Assange be arrested or even assassinated. This month Sweden issued an international warrant for Assange, for questioning about alleged sexual assaults. His lawyer says the allegations spring from unprotected but otherwise consensual sex with two women.
WikiLeaks says it is now planning to post a selection of the cables. Meanwhile, a Guardian team of expert writers has been spending months combing through the data. Freedom of information campaigner Heather Brooke obtained a copy of the database through her own contacts and joined the Guardian team. The paper is to publish independently, but simultaneously with the New York Times and Der Spiegel, along with Le Monde in Paris and El País in Madrid. As on previous occasions the Guardian is redacting information likely to cause reprisals against vulnerable individuals.
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[dorki22]Verjetno jih je možno spraviti ven zato, ker je celotna vlada (in pentagon) toliko zbirokratizirana, da več ne vejo kdo pača in kdo pije:) Že to dosti pove da so zadnjič podatke za Irak dobili od (skoraj) navadnega vojaka...
Čarli, mislim da je to zelo pogumno dejanje, dvomim, da bi imel kdo med nami muda objavit ameriške dokumente z oznako classified ali podobno.
Ne vem, kako je možno toliko fajlov spravit ven iz ameriške vladne mreže neopazno...rušijo Obamo?
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Trapast članek. To ni nobeno izsiljevanje, ampak običajna politična
trgovina. Daj-dam. Nikjer ne piše, da mora Obama sprejeti prav
vsakega.
Sicer pa je Wikileaks itak en čisto navaden tipičen CIAški psyop. Kot vse kaže, je bil ustanovljen z namenom, da vse bolj skeptično in vsega naveličano javnost preparira za vojno proti Iranu.
Sicer pa je Wikileaks itak en čisto navaden tipičen CIAški psyop. Kot vse kaže, je bil ustanovljen z namenom, da vse bolj skeptično in vsega naveličano javnost preparira za vojno proti Iranu.
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Mogoce bi pa Slovenija lahko naredila sicilijevo :-) dolino v
kateri bo prodajala slovensko veleznanje o efektivni javni upravi
in kot model postindustrijske druzbe, a ne? Evo top next export
product! Leve vlade bi dol padle!
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Zadnja sprememba: anon-69279 28.11.2010 22:50
[dorki22]če želiš videti cvet intelekta v butalah si oglej, naslov threada je "tito vrni se" na motosvetu, tema politika. tam ti je top of the top butalskih redneckov.
Ok priznam, slovenci s(m)o nepredvidljivi, ko se gre za levico, pa zarečenega kruha pravijo se tudi največ poje :-)
Mogoče bodo podtaknili kak J v dokument, he he
ne vem kje rastejo tako zahojeni osebki.
opozorilo: what you may read there may traumatised you for life, but the story must be read.
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Hehehehe, pa se je izkazalo za RES JE, tisto, kar je eden izmed
komentatorjev leta nazaj napisal. Še čakamo, da se odprejo arhivi
KOS-a v BG, da preberemo kaj je JJ res povedal na zaslišanjih na
Roški oziroma kdo je bil ''krt''.
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Zadnja sprememba: anon-234405 28.11.2010 23:37
Ja te objave so pa za marsikatero državo zelo nerodne.
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Najprej je Slovenija izdala depešo o Kosovu, ki je v slabo luč
spravila ZDA, zdaj je ravno obratno. Svetu dol visi za Slovenijo,
Pahor se bo pa moral zagovarjati. Bi bilo smešno, če se nebi na
drugem koncu sveta razmere zaostrovale. Zanimivo, da wikileaks izda
to na dan vojaških vaj med ZDA in JK... Kot da jim kdo želi
spodkopati moralno zaledje, mogoče samo levičarski fanatik ali pa
kakšna čajna...
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če bo Assange preveč propulziven, se mu zna zgoditi
'magajna'...
(aja, se mu je že:
www.wired.com/threat...1/assange/ )
(aja, se mu je že:
www.wired.com/threat...1/assange/ )
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[peter20]Tale komentar mi je všeč:)
če bo Assange preveč propulziven, se mu zna zgoditi 'magajna'...
(aja, se mu je že:
www.wired.com/threat...1/assange/ )
Guy lives for 39 years without a single violent act. Suddenly a couple of weeks after releasing a stash of secret U.S. government materials (and threatening to release more), he becomes a rapist and molester.
.
No, that doesnt stink of CIA setup at all.
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[JaniKralj]in tudi njihova vsebina in izrazoslovje je vse prej kot diplomatsko , vsebina pa kaže na nivo dojemanja ameriške superiornosti v svetu .
Ja te objave so pa za marsikatero državo zelo nerodne.
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Ja to je pa čisto hudo, o Boratovem prijatelju piše tudi
marsikaj.
Hehe, tole me je pa takoj spomnilo na EIPF centralno plansko pojmovanje ekonomije in Boratove ekonomske nauke:
2. (C) Robert Mugabe has survived for so long because he is more clever and more ruthless than any other politician in
Zimbabwe. To give the devil his due, he is a brilliant
tactitian and has long thrived on his ability to abruptly
change the rules of the game, radicalize the political
dynamic and force everyone else to react to his agenda.
However, he is fundamentally hampered by several factors:
his ego and belief in his own infallibility; his obsessive
focus on the past as a justification for everything in the
present and future; his deep ignorance on economic issues
(coupled with the belief that his 18 doctorates give him
the authority to suspend the laws of economics, including
supply and demand); and his essentially short-term,
tactical style.
Hehe, tole me je pa takoj spomnilo na EIPF centralno plansko pojmovanje ekonomije in Boratove ekonomske nauke:
2. (C) Robert Mugabe has survived for so long because he is more clever and more ruthless than any other politician in
Zimbabwe. To give the devil his due, he is a brilliant
tactitian and has long thrived on his ability to abruptly
change the rules of the game, radicalize the political
dynamic and force everyone else to react to his agenda.
However, he is fundamentally hampered by several factors:
his ego and belief in his own infallibility; his obsessive
focus on the past as a justification for everything in the
present and future; his deep ignorance on economic issues
(coupled with the belief that his 18 doctorates give him
the authority to suspend the laws of economics, including
supply and demand); and his essentially short-term,
tactical style.
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Le zakaj slovenski politiki silijo na razgovor z Zumbo, s človekom,
ki je najbolj razočaral Ameriko v zadnjih 1000 letih? Kam pa bomo
dali terorista, mogoče v špirit? Ne ga biksat!
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ni reba, naj Obama lepo ostane doma. zapornik pa - saj nimamo več
placa in kako kaže (različne obtožbe in kako so tajkuni okupirali
sodišča) ne bo ga še nekaj časa.
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AMERIKA,CIA.. groza...sramota za človeštvo.Veliko "nastavljenega
sranja" je bilo...in vemo KDO ima prste zraven....ALI PRAVO kot
tako sploh ima pomen??
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