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> > > > Bodo Kitajci rekli: Nič več redkih zemelj in bo primer zaključen v nekaj dnevih z opravičilom
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> > > Za zdaj Kitajci v vojni še ne morejo zmagati.
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> > V vojni ne more nihče zmagati. So pa Kitajci pragmatični in se bodo odzvali na ustrezen način.
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> Američani so zmagali tako v prvi, kot tudi v drugi svetovni vojni.

To je splošno prepičanje, ki p ne drži. V vojni (ETO) so sodelovali samo v zaključni fazi, ko je bilo vse že vse več ali manj odločeno s strani SZ. seveda so pomagali s precejšnimi dobavami, še najbolj so pa bili Sovjeti hvaležni hrane, izgubili so namreč žitnico, Ukrajino. Tanki, Granti namreč, so pač bili do leta 1943 na nivoju "Lakirani grob za 7 fantov. Šele kasneje ko je že bilo večinoma odločeno so lifrali boljše Šhermanes 76 mm topom in dizelskim motorjem.... Angleži so vsaj pomagali v časih najhujšega pomanjkanja s svojimi sicer ne preveč dobrimi tanki.

Vojna z Japonsko bi se pa še vlekla kakšno leto, če ne bi Sovjeti stopili v vojno, šele ko so odpovedali sporzum o nenapadanju, so Japonci začeli iskati stike za pogajanja. In n pozabimo, SZ je imela svojo vojsko na enem od glavnih japonskih otokov (Okinawo so naprimer anektirali 1879) mesec dni pred Američani! In glavnina japonske vojske ni bila v Pacifiku ampak v Mandžuriji in na Kitajskem. In te imperialne sile v Mandžuriji je SZ zgazila. Po enem tednu je bil cesar prisiljen podati izjavo:

After a week of fighting, during which Soviet forces had penetrated deep into Manchukuo, Japan's Emperor Hirohito recorded the Gyokuon-hōsō which was broadcast on radio to the Japanese nation on August 15, 1945. The idea of surrender was incomprehensible to the Japanese people, and combined with Hirohito's use of formal and archaic language, the fact that he did not use the word "surrender", the poor quality of the broadcast, and poor lines of communication, there was some confusion amongst the Japanese about what the announcement meant. The Imperial Japanese Army Headquarters did not immediately communicate the cease-fire order to the Kwantung Army, and many elements of the Army either did not understand it, or ignored it.

Še najbolj so bili Sovjeti hvaležni za tovornjake brez katerih ne bi mogli izvajati velikih ofenzivnih operacij, ker je bil velik del preskrbe vezan na njih.

en.wikipedia.org/wik...Lend-Lease

Cifre so gromozanske: "The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the High-octane aviation fuel,[24] 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic production. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars2

[macon]
> [MarijanMacek]
Še najbolj so bili Sovjeti hvaležni za tovornjake brez katerih ne bi mogli izvajati velikih ofenzivnih operacij, ker je bil velik del preskrbe vezan na njih.

en.wikipedia.org/wik...Lend-Lease

Cifre so gromozanske: "The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the High-octane aviation fuel,[24] 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic production. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars2

No, na kamione sem pozabil, toda še bolj so jim pomagali s prodajo licence v 30-tih. So sami naredili kar 205.000 kamionov, precej več kot vsa ostala Evropa (i.e. Nemci) skupaj

No moj podatek o lan-lease kamionih je malce drugačen, forum.axishistory.co...p?t=145035 razlika je mogoče v naloženih in sprejetih, minus potopljeni?

Out of total 205,000 trucks produced, 150,400 were consumed by the military. So, on 22.6.41 Red Army had around 270,000 trucks, and received another 745,000 during the war. Out of these, 150,000 were new domestic production, 221,500 trucks drafted from the industry and agriculture sectors, 60,600 captured enemy's trucks and 312,600 lend-lease trucks.


Toda bistvo je, da so najhujše leto, morali premagati sami, brez prave pomoči, zlasti v vojaški tehniki. Vsekakor je pa bila kasnejša pomoč dobrodošla, ni pa odločila izzida vojne. Zaradi velikega števila dobavljenih dobrih kamionov so Sovjeti zmanjšali produkcijo motornih vozil iz 150-200k letno med 1938 in 1940, druga največja proizvajalka motornih vozil v tem času, na pod 100.000 leta 1945. Polsedično so lahko štemplali tanke....