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čisti plusek...ampak slovenci imajo psihološko motnjo, ki se ji
reče zanikanje....kratkotrajno zadeva psihološko raztbremeni
posameznika.....na dolgi rok te ubije....in to je ves problem
slovencev....zanikanje in povprečno zelo zelo zelo slaba
razgledanost...posledica pač tega, da je pri nas še vedno vrednota
to, da zbnnaš poštervanko do 10 na pamet, 10 svetovnih valut in 5
svetovnih borz pa ne zna naštet 80% prebivalcev....ker jih je več
kot 500.000 itk starejših od 65
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Zakaj kmet dobiva subvencije ? Zato ker s prodajno ceno svojih
pridelkov ne more pokriti vseh vhodnih stroškov (draga semena,
zaščitna sredstva, umetna gnojila, nafta,veterinarske storitve..).
In če greva dalje gredo te subvencije posredno v večini trgovcem
ali dobaviteljem teh sredstev, kmet pa za toliko ceneje te iste
zadeve kupuje. Potrošnik na koncu verige kupuje drage prehrambene
artikle, ker so vse subvencije ki jih je dala država - vsi
davkoplačevalci, požrli trgovci vseh vrst z visokimi maržami,
maržami, ki nimajo primere v Evropi. Ko ti bo to vse jasno pa udari
po teh nekaj kmetih, ki še vztrajajo. Samooskrbe imamo še samo 30 %
, počasi bomo še teh 30 % drago uvažali, krajino pa bo zaraslo
grmovje.Torej kdo je kriv za takšno stanje ?
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moj deda, die legende, je celo življenje bil kmetovalec, nekje od
1915 leta dalje. Povedal je, da so s strani ameriških kemičnih
korporacij v 60 in 70 letih dobivali zastonj umetna gnojila, ki so
danes na spisku strupenih zadev in se ne uporabljajo več. Tako so
spomladi vsi kmetje uprizorili spomladansko sneženje. Zato je
slovenska zemlja brez umetnih gnojil, škropiv in podobnega sranja
zelo zelo zelo slabo plodna. To smo ugotovili na jabolkih, hruškah
in češnjah, ko nismo uporabljali umetnih gnojil in škropiv.
Pridelek = šiške&gniloba&neki lišaji....tko da te "kmečke"
izjave o tem, da je poljedelstvo danes v sloveniji čisto preprosta
zadeva, ki bi skoraj mogla biti domovinska dolžnost, sploh ne
držijo več.....saj je minilo že 30 let od takrat, ko je bila ta
miselnost na pohodu
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lej tisto genetsko spremenjeno koruzo od monstanta lahko še kar
naprej rpedelujejo v goriva če želijo....rekel boš slovenija ni
amerika? pa pojdi in kupi genetsko nespremenjeno koruzno seme, če
ti uspe....
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tazadnja zadeva je podnebne spremembe....in zato ti prilagam tekst
pogodbe, podisane v združenih narodih leta 1976 o medsebojnem
ne-napadanju z orožjem za modifikacijo vremena
Treaty Text
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques
Signed in Geneva May 18, 1977
Entered into force October 5, 1978
Ratification by U.S. President December 13, 1979
U.S. ratification deposited at New York January 17, 1980
The States Parties to this Convention,
Guided by the interest of consolidating peace, and wishing to contribute to the cause of halting the arms race, and of bringing about general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control, and of saving mankind from the danger of using new means of warfare,
Determined to continue negotiations with a view to achieving effective progress towards further measures in the field of disarmament,
Recognizing that scientific and technical advances may open new possibilities with respect to modification of the environment,
Recalling the Declaration of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment adopted at Stockholm on 16 June 1972,
Realizing that the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes could improve the interrelationship of man and nature and contribute to the preservation and improvement of the environment for the benefit of present and future generations,
Recognizing, however, that military or any other hostile use of such techniques could have effects extremely harmful to human welfare,
Desiring to prohibit effectively military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques in order to eliminate the dangers to mankind from such use, and affirming their willingness to work towards the achievement of this objective,
Desiring also to contribute to the strengthening of trust among nations and to the further improvement of the international situation in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
Have agreed as follows:
Article I
1. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to any other State Party.
2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, group of States or international organiza-tion to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.
Article II
As used in Article I, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing -- through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes -- the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.
Article III
1. The provisions of this Convention shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law concerning such use.
2. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of scientific and technological information on the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes. States Parties in a position to do so shall contribute, alone or together with other States or international organizations, to international economic and scientific co-operation in the preservation, improvement, and peaceful utilization of the environment, with due consideration for the needs of the developing areas of the world.
Article IV
Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to take any measures it considers necessary in accordance with its constitutional processes to prohibit and prevent any activity in violation of the provisions of the Convention anywhere under its jurisdiction or control.
Article V
1. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to consult one another and to cooperate in solving any problems which may arise in relation to the objectives of, or in the application of the provisions of, the Convention. Consultation and cooperation pursuant to this article may also be undertaken through appropriate international procedures within the framework of the United Nations and in accordance with its Charter. These international procedures may include the services of appropriate international organizations, as well as of a Consultative Committee of Experts as provided for in paragraph 2 of this article.
2. For the purposes set forth in paragraph 1 of this article, the Depositary shall, within one month of the receipt of a request from any State Party to this Convention, convene a Consultative Committee of Experts. Any State Party may appoint an expert to the Committee whose functions and rules of procedure are set out in the annex, which constitutes an integral part of this Convention. The Committee shall transmit to the Depositary a summary of its findings of fact, incorporating all views and information presented to the Committee during its proceedings. The Depositary shall distribute the summary to all States Parties.
3. Any State Party to this Convention which has reason to believe that any other State Party is acting in breach of obligations deriving from the provisions of the Convention may lodge a complaint with the Security Council of the United Nations. Such a complaint should include all relevant information as well as all possible evidence supporting its validity.
4. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to cooperate in carrying out any investigation which the Security Council may initiate, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, on the basis of the complaint received by the Council. The Security Council shall inform the States Parties of the results of the investigation.
5. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to provide or support assistance, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, to any State Party which so requests, if the Security Council decides that such Party has been harmed or is likely to be harmed as a result of violation of the Convention.
Article VI
1. Any State Party to this Convention may propose amendments to the Convention. The text of any proposed amendment shall be submitted to the Depositary who shall promptly circulate it to all States Parties.
2. An amendment shall enter into force for all States Parties to this Convention which have accepted it, upon the deposit with the Depositary of instruments of acceptance by a majority of States Parties. Thereafter it shall enter into force for any remaining State Party on the date of deposit of its instrument of acceptance.
Article VII
This Convention shall be of unlimited duration.
Article VIII
1. Five years after the entry into force of this Convention, a conference of the States Parties to the Convention shall be convened by the Depositary at Geneva, Switzerland. The conference shall review the operation of the Convention with a view to ensuring that its purposes and provisions are being realized, and shall in particular examine the effectiveness of the provisions of paragraph 1 of Article I in eliminating the dangers of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques.
2. At intervals of not less than five years thereafter, a majority of the States Parties to the Convention may obtain, by submitting a proposal to this effect to the Depositary, the convening of a conference with the same objectives.
3. If no conference has been convened pursuant to paragraph 2 of this article within ten years following the conclusion of a previous conference, the Depositary shall solicit the views of all States Parties to the Convention, concerning the convening of such a conference. If one third or ten of the States Parties, whichever number is less, respond affirmatively, the Depositary shall take immediate steps to convene the conference.
Article IX
1. This Convention shall be open to all States for signature. Any State which does not sign the Convention before its entry into force in accordance with paragraph 3 of this article may accede to it at any time.
2. This Convention shall be subject to ratification by signatory States. Instruments of ratification or accession shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.
3. This Convention shall enter into force upon the deposit of instruments of ratification by twenty Governments in accordance with paragraph 2 of this article.
4. For those States whose instruments of ratification or accession are deposited after the entry into force of this Convention, it shall enter into force on the date of the deposit of their instruments of ratification or accession.
5. The Depositary shall promptly inform all signatory and acceding States of the date of each signature, the date of deposit of each instrument of ratification or accession and the date of the entry into force of this Convention and of any amendments thereto, as well as of the receipt of other notices.
6. This Convention shall be registered by the Depositary in accordance with Article 102 of the Charter of the United Nations.
Article X
This Convention, of which the English, Arabic, Chinese, French, Russian, and Spanish texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who shall send certified copies thereof to the Governments of the signatory and acceding States.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being duly authorized thereto by their respective governments, have signed this Convention, opened for signature at Geneva on the eighteenth day of May, one thousand nine hundred and seventy-seven.
DONE at Geneva on May 18, 1977.
ANNEX TO THE CONVENTION
CONSULTATIVE COMMITTEE OF EXPERTS
1. The Consultative Committee of Experts shall undertake to make appropriate findings of fact and provide expert views relevant to any problem raised pursuant to paragraph 1 of Article V of this Convention by the State Party requesting the convening of the Committee.
2. The work of the Consultative Committee of Experts shall be organized in such a way as to permit it to perform the functions set forth in paragraph 1 of this annex. The Committee shall decide procedural questions relative to the organization of its work, where possible by consensus, but otherwise by a majority of those present and voting. There shall be no voting on matters of substance.
3. The Depositary or his representative shall serve as the Chairman of the Committee.
4. Each expert may be assisted at meetings by one or more advisers.
5. Each expert shall have the right, through the Chairman, to request from States, and from international organizations, such information and assistance as the expert considers desirable for the accomplishment of the Committees work.
UNDERSTANDINGS REGARDING THE CONVENTION
Understanding Relating to Article I
It is the understanding of the Committee that, for the purposes of this Convention, the terms, "widespread", "long-lasting" and "severe" shall be interpreted as follows:
(a) "widespread": encompassing an area on the scale of several hundred square kilometres;
(b) "long-lasting": lasting for a period of months, or approximately a season;
(c) "severe": involving serious or significant disruption or harm to human life, natural and economic resources or other assets.
It is further understood that the interpretation set forth above is intended exclusively for this Convention and is not intended to prejudice the interpretation of the same or similar terms if used in connexion with any other international agreement.
Understanding Relating to Article II
It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.
It is further understood that all the phenomena listed above, when produced by military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result, in widespread, long-lasting or severe destruction, damage or injury. Thus, military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II, so as to cause those phenomena as a means of destruction, damage or injury to another State Party, would be prohibited.
It is recognized, moreover, that the list of examples set out above is not exhaustive. Other phenomena which could result from the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II could also be appropriately included. The absence of such phenomena from the list does not in any way imply that the undertaking contained in Article I would not be applicable to those phenomena, provided the criteria set out in that article were met.
Understanding Relating to Article III
It is the understanding of the Committee that this Convention does not deal with the question whether or not a given use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes is in accordance with generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law.
Understanding Relating to Article VIII
It is the understanding of the Committee that a proposal to amend the Convention may also be considered at any conference of Parties held pursuant to Article VIII. It is further understood that any proposed amendment that is intended for such consideration should, if possible, be submitted to the Depositary no less than 90 days before the commencement of the conference.
Treaty Text
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques
Signed in Geneva May 18, 1977
Entered into force October 5, 1978
Ratification by U.S. President December 13, 1979
U.S. ratification deposited at New York January 17, 1980
The States Parties to this Convention,
Guided by the interest of consolidating peace, and wishing to contribute to the cause of halting the arms race, and of bringing about general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control, and of saving mankind from the danger of using new means of warfare,
Determined to continue negotiations with a view to achieving effective progress towards further measures in the field of disarmament,
Recognizing that scientific and technical advances may open new possibilities with respect to modification of the environment,
Recalling the Declaration of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment adopted at Stockholm on 16 June 1972,
Realizing that the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes could improve the interrelationship of man and nature and contribute to the preservation and improvement of the environment for the benefit of present and future generations,
Recognizing, however, that military or any other hostile use of such techniques could have effects extremely harmful to human welfare,
Desiring to prohibit effectively military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques in order to eliminate the dangers to mankind from such use, and affirming their willingness to work towards the achievement of this objective,
Desiring also to contribute to the strengthening of trust among nations and to the further improvement of the international situation in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
Have agreed as follows:
Article I
1. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to any other State Party.
2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, group of States or international organiza-tion to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.
Article II
As used in Article I, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing -- through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes -- the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.
Article III
1. The provisions of this Convention shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law concerning such use.
2. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of scientific and technological information on the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes. States Parties in a position to do so shall contribute, alone or together with other States or international organizations, to international economic and scientific co-operation in the preservation, improvement, and peaceful utilization of the environment, with due consideration for the needs of the developing areas of the world.
Article IV
Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to take any measures it considers necessary in accordance with its constitutional processes to prohibit and prevent any activity in violation of the provisions of the Convention anywhere under its jurisdiction or control.
Article V
1. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to consult one another and to cooperate in solving any problems which may arise in relation to the objectives of, or in the application of the provisions of, the Convention. Consultation and cooperation pursuant to this article may also be undertaken through appropriate international procedures within the framework of the United Nations and in accordance with its Charter. These international procedures may include the services of appropriate international organizations, as well as of a Consultative Committee of Experts as provided for in paragraph 2 of this article.
2. For the purposes set forth in paragraph 1 of this article, the Depositary shall, within one month of the receipt of a request from any State Party to this Convention, convene a Consultative Committee of Experts. Any State Party may appoint an expert to the Committee whose functions and rules of procedure are set out in the annex, which constitutes an integral part of this Convention. The Committee shall transmit to the Depositary a summary of its findings of fact, incorporating all views and information presented to the Committee during its proceedings. The Depositary shall distribute the summary to all States Parties.
3. Any State Party to this Convention which has reason to believe that any other State Party is acting in breach of obligations deriving from the provisions of the Convention may lodge a complaint with the Security Council of the United Nations. Such a complaint should include all relevant information as well as all possible evidence supporting its validity.
4. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to cooperate in carrying out any investigation which the Security Council may initiate, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, on the basis of the complaint received by the Council. The Security Council shall inform the States Parties of the results of the investigation.
5. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to provide or support assistance, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, to any State Party which so requests, if the Security Council decides that such Party has been harmed or is likely to be harmed as a result of violation of the Convention.
Article VI
1. Any State Party to this Convention may propose amendments to the Convention. The text of any proposed amendment shall be submitted to the Depositary who shall promptly circulate it to all States Parties.
2. An amendment shall enter into force for all States Parties to this Convention which have accepted it, upon the deposit with the Depositary of instruments of acceptance by a majority of States Parties. Thereafter it shall enter into force for any remaining State Party on the date of deposit of its instrument of acceptance.
Article VII
This Convention shall be of unlimited duration.
Article VIII
1. Five years after the entry into force of this Convention, a conference of the States Parties to the Convention shall be convened by the Depositary at Geneva, Switzerland. The conference shall review the operation of the Convention with a view to ensuring that its purposes and provisions are being realized, and shall in particular examine the effectiveness of the provisions of paragraph 1 of Article I in eliminating the dangers of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques.
2. At intervals of not less than five years thereafter, a majority of the States Parties to the Convention may obtain, by submitting a proposal to this effect to the Depositary, the convening of a conference with the same objectives.
3. If no conference has been convened pursuant to paragraph 2 of this article within ten years following the conclusion of a previous conference, the Depositary shall solicit the views of all States Parties to the Convention, concerning the convening of such a conference. If one third or ten of the States Parties, whichever number is less, respond affirmatively, the Depositary shall take immediate steps to convene the conference.
Article IX
1. This Convention shall be open to all States for signature. Any State which does not sign the Convention before its entry into force in accordance with paragraph 3 of this article may accede to it at any time.
2. This Convention shall be subject to ratification by signatory States. Instruments of ratification or accession shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.
3. This Convention shall enter into force upon the deposit of instruments of ratification by twenty Governments in accordance with paragraph 2 of this article.
4. For those States whose instruments of ratification or accession are deposited after the entry into force of this Convention, it shall enter into force on the date of the deposit of their instruments of ratification or accession.
5. The Depositary shall promptly inform all signatory and acceding States of the date of each signature, the date of deposit of each instrument of ratification or accession and the date of the entry into force of this Convention and of any amendments thereto, as well as of the receipt of other notices.
6. This Convention shall be registered by the Depositary in accordance with Article 102 of the Charter of the United Nations.
Article X
This Convention, of which the English, Arabic, Chinese, French, Russian, and Spanish texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who shall send certified copies thereof to the Governments of the signatory and acceding States.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being duly authorized thereto by their respective governments, have signed this Convention, opened for signature at Geneva on the eighteenth day of May, one thousand nine hundred and seventy-seven.
DONE at Geneva on May 18, 1977.
ANNEX TO THE CONVENTION
CONSULTATIVE COMMITTEE OF EXPERTS
1. The Consultative Committee of Experts shall undertake to make appropriate findings of fact and provide expert views relevant to any problem raised pursuant to paragraph 1 of Article V of this Convention by the State Party requesting the convening of the Committee.
2. The work of the Consultative Committee of Experts shall be organized in such a way as to permit it to perform the functions set forth in paragraph 1 of this annex. The Committee shall decide procedural questions relative to the organization of its work, where possible by consensus, but otherwise by a majority of those present and voting. There shall be no voting on matters of substance.
3. The Depositary or his representative shall serve as the Chairman of the Committee.
4. Each expert may be assisted at meetings by one or more advisers.
5. Each expert shall have the right, through the Chairman, to request from States, and from international organizations, such information and assistance as the expert considers desirable for the accomplishment of the Committees work.
UNDERSTANDINGS REGARDING THE CONVENTION
Understanding Relating to Article I
It is the understanding of the Committee that, for the purposes of this Convention, the terms, "widespread", "long-lasting" and "severe" shall be interpreted as follows:
(a) "widespread": encompassing an area on the scale of several hundred square kilometres;
(b) "long-lasting": lasting for a period of months, or approximately a season;
(c) "severe": involving serious or significant disruption or harm to human life, natural and economic resources or other assets.
It is further understood that the interpretation set forth above is intended exclusively for this Convention and is not intended to prejudice the interpretation of the same or similar terms if used in connexion with any other international agreement.
Understanding Relating to Article II
It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.
It is further understood that all the phenomena listed above, when produced by military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result, in widespread, long-lasting or severe destruction, damage or injury. Thus, military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II, so as to cause those phenomena as a means of destruction, damage or injury to another State Party, would be prohibited.
It is recognized, moreover, that the list of examples set out above is not exhaustive. Other phenomena which could result from the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II could also be appropriately included. The absence of such phenomena from the list does not in any way imply that the undertaking contained in Article I would not be applicable to those phenomena, provided the criteria set out in that article were met.
Understanding Relating to Article III
It is the understanding of the Committee that this Convention does not deal with the question whether or not a given use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes is in accordance with generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law.
Understanding Relating to Article VIII
It is the understanding of the Committee that a proposal to amend the Convention may also be considered at any conference of Parties held pursuant to Article VIII. It is further understood that any proposed amendment that is intended for such consideration should, if possible, be submitted to the Depositary no less than 90 days before the commencement of the conference.
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Zadnja sprememba: anon-188487 19.01.2011 10:59
Podražitve hrane pri nas so popolnoma neupravičene, vsaj v sedanjem
času! Ko sem slišal, kakšne so marže trgovcev (več kot 50%), sem
postal v hipu "sit"! Res pa je, da bo moralo človeštvo krepko
spremeniti svoje mišljenje (narava vrača udarec) in namesto
"biogoriv" - samo delček zgrešenega "razvoja" - poskrbeti za
odpravo lakote. Predvsem pa ustaviti povečevanje prebivalstva (7
miljard presega zmogljivoti tega planeta).P.S. Kako lepo bi sedaj služili s tovarno sladkorja, ki je bila hiper "modro" ukinjena!
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si naredil analizo o nosilni kapaciteti zemlje? da kar tako veš, da
je 7 milijard preveč....ker nekaj časa so krožile neke študije
credit suisse naokoli, da je v bistvu na zemlji brez problema lahko
14 miljard ljudi...le tistim bildenburgom pofukanim in eugenics
programom bi potem stvari ušle iz rok....zato je pa ljudi treba
pobijat, stradat, jih pahnit za cele generascije v režime, kjer se
ubadajo s preživetjem z danes na jutri, medtem ko oni gori
centralizirajo kapital&znanje za kontrolo populacije....recimo
bill gates želi, da bi bil vsak novorojenček taggan zato, da se bo
lahko cepil....proti čemu pa? prašičji gripi? piščančji gripi?
autizmu mogoč?
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[gorkot]Tako je. Na predpraznicne dni so zivilske trgovine imele nore kolicine prometa. Ker ljudje jedo vsak dan, ni druge razlage, kot da je veliko te hrane slo direkt v smeti.
Glede trgovcev....folk naj manj zapravlja oz. kupuje nekoristnih stvari pa bojo znižali cene. Dokler pa gre prodaja jih pač ne bodo.
In dokler gre karkoli hrane v smeti, trgovci delajo edino logicno potezo, da hrano drazijo.
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[FRIDERIKA]Ma ste troti. Zakaj bi znizali marze, dokler se vse prodaja kot vroce zemljice? Normalno, da bosta Zito in Mercator dvigovala cene/marze, ce vecina folka ne bo nehala kupovati pri njih, tudi ce podrazijo.
Se strinjam. Zganiti se bodo morali naši pridelovalci.
Prodajalcem pa obvezno znižati marže.
Nakladanje o tem, da so krive nabavne cene surovin je pa bizarno, saj v koncni ceni prinesejo zelo malo.
Ce bi Mercatorja bilo strah odhoda strank, bi sam marzo znizal toliko, kot se je zaradi cene psenice kruh podrazil.
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Zadnja sprememba: MM1411 19.01.2011 11:42
[ANDREJAGRABNER]Brava!!!
Spoštovani,
me zanima, kdaj ste bili nazadnje na kakšni kmetiji, ki danes še dela? Zato tudi ne veste, da kmetje danes še kako zelo delajo, in to cele družine, z otroci vred, od jutra do večera. Zato da lahko zaslužijo nujno potrebna sredstva, ki jih ponovno vlagajo v prenovo hlevov, gnojnih jam in podobnega, da zadostijo vsem potrebnim direktivam. Delajo takrat, ko ste vi v službi, ko greste v Hofer po tujo hrano, ko doma uživate prosti čas in ko ste na dopustu. In koliko dobijo za to delo? Odkupna cena mesa, mleka in žit je žal danes precej nižja kot je bila nekaj let nazaj. Vhodne surovine pa so se tudi za njih zvišale.
In kdo je danes v tem kapitalizmu in polnih trgovinah "poceni hrane" dolžan biti neumen kmet in še vedno delati zastonj?
Država si zasluži, da bi vsi kmetje nehali delati, potem pa bi se verjetno lahko vzpostavila nova razmerja, ki bi omogočila kmetom pošten zaslužek, hrane bi bilo zaradi tega bistveno več, pa tudi kupci bi do nje prišli po bolj normalni ceni.
Lep dan!
Andreja
Lepo napisano, kaj se more, mnogi tu, ki sedijo ob netu in komentirajo teme o kmetijstvu ter govedoreji so kravo v realnosti videli na Milkinem ovitku pa morda potem visoke tehnologije še na plazma TV....
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[fiston]Morda samo en primer, ki bo morda nekaterim bolj razumljiv: avto lahko kupiš za manj kot 10.000 EUR ali pa za več kot 30.000 EUR. Ve se, kaj dobiš v prvem primeru in kaj v drugem. In te avtomobile lahko kupiš pri enem, drugem, tretjem trgovcu...
> [mitja50]
> Kupujem pri "tujih" trgovcih in tujo hrano, tako da se teh naših podražitev ne bojim. Če se bo mleko Ljubljanskih mlekarn podražilo za 3 cente iz 0,83€ na 0,86€, bom še vedno kupoval pri Hoferju za 0,59€.
Hja, saj uvoženo mleko dobiš v Mercatorju za 0,58€.
Trajno mleko 1,5% da ne boš holesterola fasal, piše proizvedeno v Avstriji, kje je namolzeno pa ne piše.
Eto, pa oni trgovčiči svojo robo dražje prodajajo kot Mercator, tako da tudi niso ravno poceni.
Jebeš konkurenco, se prilagodijo ponudbi. Niso oni toliko cenejši, samo lepo izračunajo po kakšni ceni bodo tukaj lahko prodali, izračunajo dobiček in če štima pridejo v Slovenijo.
Tako da ti kaj dosti manj ne plačaš, samo oni več dobička naredijo.
Podobna je tudi zgodba z živili in ostalim blagom. V veliki meri na ceno vpliva tudi kvaliteta (morda ne vedno, ampak pretežno). 'Malo para, malo muzike.' Pa naj si bo v Hoferju, Sparu ali Mercatorju.
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[1021Tehni]Se malo razsirimo ta primer: ce ne bi v sloveniji vsi prodajalci avtov doziveli kolektivne lobotomije, bi imel tudi izbiro da enako kvaliteten avto kupis v salonu s preprogrami, marmorjem in kristalnimi lestenci, ali v tovarniski hali, ali pa celo samo po narocilu v eni pisarni brez razstavnega prostora. Seveda je jasno, da bo enako kvaliteten avto naceloma stal razlicno pri prodajalcih razlicnega sminkerskega nivoja.
Morda samo en primer, ki bo morda nekaterim bolj razumljiv: avto lahko kupiš za manj kot 10.000 EUR ali pa za več kot 30.000 EUR. Ve se, kaj dobiš v prvem primeru in kaj v drugem. In te avtomobile lahko kupiš pri enem, drugem, tretjem trgovcu...
Podobna je tudi zgodba z živili in ostalim blagom. V veliki meri na ceno vpliva tudi kvaliteta (morda ne vedno, ampak pretežno). 'Malo para, malo muzike.' Pa naj si bo v Hoferju, Sparu ali Mercatorju.
V sloveniji na zalost taksna konkurenca pri avtih ne obstaja, zato pa obstaja pri hrani.
Celo vec, lahko kupis popolnoma zanic hrano v marmornatih palacah :)
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[rava]Kaj pa nakup preko interneta? Na žalost ima v Sloveniji internetno prodajo hrane od veletrgovcev le Mercator.
v štacuni, ki mi je najbližje, že 3 tedne ne morem kupit tistega mesa za mucka, ki ga hočem, in se mi zdi skrajno bolano, da bom morala zaradi tega narediti celo raziskavo in verjetno prevozit še okoliške kraje.
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[Infowarrior]Ne bom rekel, da Slovenija ni Amerika, čeprav to drži, ampak bom rekel, da z veseljem jem genetsko spremenjeno koruzo in mi niti na pamet ne pade, iskati kako tako seme.
lej tisto genetsko spremenjeno koruzo od monstanta lahko še kar naprej rpedelujejo v goriva če želijo....rekel boš slovenija ni amerika? pa pojdi in kupi genetsko nespremenjeno koruzno seme, če ti uspe....
Tudi lačni po svetu bi zelo radi jedli genetsko spremenjeno koruzo, ker jim ne smrdi tako kot evropskim levičarjem, ampak bo žal šla v avtomobilske tanke.
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zato pa je slovenija v pizdi in iz te pizde ne bo prišla ma
nikoli....tut tega ne veš, da je že konzorcij znanstvenikov
opozoril, opozarja na dejstvo, da se gentsko spremenjena koruza
pozna direktno na zdravju ljudi, ter ima direkten vpliv na genetiko
ljudi....prbližn isti kurac kakor globalno segrevanje....na začetku
so bili vsi mokri v skrbi za zemljo, danes pa je vsem jasno da je
CO2 in te zadeve natega brez primere...
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[gogi1]Za gensko spremenjene rastline so napisani zakoni, ki natančno določajo, kaj je treba preveriti, preden se lahko gensko spremenjena rastlina uporabi kot hrana ali krma za živali. Do zdaj za nobeno drugo hrano, ki jo že mnogo let uživamo, ni bilo tako skrbno poskrbljeno.
Tudi lačni po svetu bi zelo radi jedli genetsko spremenjeno koruzo, ker jim ne smrdi tako kot evropskim levičarjem, ampak bo žal šla v avtomobilske tanke.
Gensko spremenjena hrana je v Združenih državah Amerike na tržišču 12 let in ni se še zgodilo, da bi se pokazal negativen učinek na zdravje ljudi. Najbolj razširjena je gensko spremenjena soja; več kot pol pridelane je gensko spremenjene. Sledijo ji koruza, bombaž in oljna ogrščica. Vir: www.gea-on.net/clane...asp?ID=894
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jebenti pa tak maček, ki mu je treba kupovat meso... vn, pa miši
lovit... in če je dec, bo še kako podgano ujagal :-)
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[rava]Ja, dovolj pove ze to, ce malo od dalec vidis diskontarje, kako to pocnejo, in primerjas z mercatorjem (pa po moje ostali tujci, oz tujec, leclerc delajo podobno kot diskontarji, glede na naravo robe, ki je je velik del uvozen).
hoteli so "našo" distribucijsko verigo in bili kaznovani s tem, da so jo dobili. oligopol, ki so ga leta in leta podpirali, predstavljajo organizacijsko razsuti in zastareli sistemi. rezultat tega je ta, da je distribucijska veriga draga kot žafran in v končni fazi se vse skupaj prevali na kupca.
V hofer se pripelje en sleper z napisom Hofer. Not je kompleten asortiman izdelkov. Mislim, pickin dim je to narediti ob sodobni logistiki, barkodah, centralnih skladiscih.
V mercator pa se pripelje "pekarna mismas" in pusti tam pet skatel keksov, potem se pripelje mimo "pekarna jovo" in pusti deset struc kruha, potem pride kombi od ljubljanskih mlekarn, pa pripelje nekaj mleka in jogurtov.
Pa ne mores verjet, da to lahko sploh se laufa... seveda je mercator to naredil tako, da je stroske razdrobljene distribucije prevalil na dobavitelje, ampak ti potem pac prevalijo ali v visje cene, ali pa v slabso kvaliteto (ki je v navadnih mercatorjih, kjer je malo manj izbire lahko ze hudo slabsa od hoferja in lidla).
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Tole glede zakonov je pravljica,zelo podobna z afero z dioksinom
zadnje dni v ZRN.Politiki pač vse podpišejo in poštemplajo,če le
prinese ¨davke¨.
Pri kakovosti rastlin je zadeva zelo preprosta.Večina naših rastlin je vzetih iz narave,čisto take kot so tam,take še danes gojimo.Tako je npr. z korenčkom,zeleno,celotnim tropskim sadjem in še je tega.Tudi koza je še v bistvu vedno le koza in ovca je še vedno ovca.
Nekatere so nekoliko spremenjene,kot je recimo radič derivat regrata.Ali je boljši izvirnik ali gojena kopija?Tukaj odgovor ni težak,izvirnik je tukaj nekajkrat boljši,ne le zavoljo genskih,temveč zavoljo rastnih pogojev.Raste tam,kjer mora rasti,v idealnih pogojih.
GSO je smetana ala card,ki bo človeka dokončno spremenil v ¨mutanta¨kot nam recimo pravijo Aborigini,ki nas sploh več nimajo za pripadnike iste vrste.
Če se trdi,da živalim kao ja nič ne škodi in je vse v okviru zakona je zadeva spet preprosta.Gojene živali danes živijo maksimalno eno petino časa življenjske vrstne življenjske dobe in še v tem času so nenehno bolane,do te mere da rejci jamrajo,da več ne zmorejo stroškov zdravljenj ipd.
GSO tukaj ničesar ne spreminja na bolje,edina grenka pilula,ki jo boste še dodatno požrli da boste dobili še biotehnološka zdravila kot desert,po katerih boste pa enako,načeloma pa še bolj bolani kot ste danes.
Zelo očitno je da ste nekateri navdušeni nad vsem,kar vam koncerni servirajo(ker je kao ¨napredek¨),pojma pa nimate kaj to pomeni v realnosti.Gre pa za preprosto metodo,tudi smeti so dobre,če le prinesejo več denarja.
Realnost je spet taka,da ima na teh področjih realni razvoj negativni predznak,slike in rezultati so iz leta v leto slabši.Večja stopnja sofistikacije pomeni nižjo stopnjo kvalitete,posledično zdravja,račun je popolnoma preprost,po Darwinu.
Neumnosti namreč ni mogoče pozdraviti.Pa dober tek,četudi je čas kosila že na izteku.
Pri kakovosti rastlin je zadeva zelo preprosta.Večina naših rastlin je vzetih iz narave,čisto take kot so tam,take še danes gojimo.Tako je npr. z korenčkom,zeleno,celotnim tropskim sadjem in še je tega.Tudi koza je še v bistvu vedno le koza in ovca je še vedno ovca.
Nekatere so nekoliko spremenjene,kot je recimo radič derivat regrata.Ali je boljši izvirnik ali gojena kopija?Tukaj odgovor ni težak,izvirnik je tukaj nekajkrat boljši,ne le zavoljo genskih,temveč zavoljo rastnih pogojev.Raste tam,kjer mora rasti,v idealnih pogojih.
GSO je smetana ala card,ki bo človeka dokončno spremenil v ¨mutanta¨kot nam recimo pravijo Aborigini,ki nas sploh več nimajo za pripadnike iste vrste.
Če se trdi,da živalim kao ja nič ne škodi in je vse v okviru zakona je zadeva spet preprosta.Gojene živali danes živijo maksimalno eno petino časa življenjske vrstne življenjske dobe in še v tem času so nenehno bolane,do te mere da rejci jamrajo,da več ne zmorejo stroškov zdravljenj ipd.
GSO tukaj ničesar ne spreminja na bolje,edina grenka pilula,ki jo boste še dodatno požrli da boste dobili še biotehnološka zdravila kot desert,po katerih boste pa enako,načeloma pa še bolj bolani kot ste danes.
Zelo očitno je da ste nekateri navdušeni nad vsem,kar vam koncerni servirajo(ker je kao ¨napredek¨),pojma pa nimate kaj to pomeni v realnosti.Gre pa za preprosto metodo,tudi smeti so dobre,če le prinesejo več denarja.
Realnost je spet taka,da ima na teh področjih realni razvoj negativni predznak,slike in rezultati so iz leta v leto slabši.Večja stopnja sofistikacije pomeni nižjo stopnjo kvalitete,posledično zdravja,račun je popolnoma preprost,po Darwinu.
Neumnosti namreč ni mogoče pozdraviti.Pa dober tek,četudi je čas kosila že na izteku.
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[pobalin]In takšnim zvitim maherjem naseda minister Križanič, ki jim ne dosega z znanjem niti do kolen.
Ob tem pa berem, da so po svetu strateške rezerve hrane zmanjšali, ali pa jih sploh nimajo več. Denarja zanje ni, ker ga je bilo treba vtikati v žepe ubogih bankirjev, anede? Ti pa z njim kupujejo opcije na derivate iz opcij za pšenico in drugo špekulativno robo. Eden največjih še živečih revolucionarjev pa se je navdušil nad zamislijo, da svojega zemljaka spravi za volan formule 1. Pa sej človk ne more verjamet, lahk se sam še smeji.
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Ne vem, jaz se ne norčujem iz stvari, ki jih ne poznam. Pri tej gensko spremenjeni hrani pa me moti, da je ne moreš uporabiti za seme.Si si torej utegnil že odgovoriti na vprašanje.
Le čemu? Morda zato, da smo primorani vsako leto kupovati znova?
In v tiste semenske banke-hladilnice, kaj misliš, da tam hranijo? Gensko spremenjeno? Dvomim.Anton Komat piše, da prastare sorte raznoraznega, če se eksperiment sfiži in podobno. Baje imajo veliko dela lovci na stare sorte žit, riža denimo. Stare sorte so izjemno odporne na taznorazne bolezni, že če pogledaš pri trti denimo.
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Spodbudna novica. Sedaj bo SLO prehrambena industrija izvažala po
visokih cenah. Kmetom bodo lahko plačali pošteno ceno, delavcem
dostojne plače, na novo bodo zaposlovali, proračun se bo
napolnil... Mi bomo pa hrano kupovali v Hofru in Lidlu - da bo volk
sit in koze cele.
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Bravo,vse zvišati za 500%,elkektriko,pogonska goriva,odvoz
smeti(vsak naj sortira in predela smeti.oz naj jih odpelja na
smetišče.Podražiti vodo,kruh,vse prehrambene izdelke,pa naj preživi
kdor lahko.Po drugi strani znižati plače(če se da ukinit),postopoma
uvajati malo(PRISILNO) delo, omejiti zdravstvene usluge itd.itd...
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[1223SaLam]Ne moreš imeti konkurence, če obstajajo subvencije.
zdaj naj se izkaže konkurenca med veligimi trgovskimi verigami.
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Deutsche Bank in druge svetovne banke, so generatorji vsega zla v
tem današnjem globalnem svetu.
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[hrvatini]Kot vem so mlekomati strošek davkoplačevalcev.
V Ljubljani je na eni kmetiji mlekomat, kjer je mogoče super sveže mleko kupiti po 60 centov za liter, 60 centov. zakaj le po toliko ? Ker jim mlekarne dajo okoli 30, doma je 60 v redu, ker ni nobenih prevozov in najemnin...Ljudje že kar hodijo, vsak dan več...Kmetje, dom apostavite mlekomate, če imate le dovolj blokov v bližini....
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[1012RASLX]Vi*. Ker kupujete v trgovini, namesto pri proizvajalcu. Vi. Ker kupujete ceneje, ne kvalitetneje. Vi. Ker kupite kitajski česen, kjer uvoznik, prevoznik in prodajalec zaslužijo več, kot dobi kitajski kmet. Domači kmet pa nič.
Zakaj kmet dobiva subvencije ? Zato ker s prodajno ceno svojih pridelkov ne more pokriti vseh vhodnih stroškov (draga semena, zaščitna sredstva, umetna gnojila, nafta,veterinarske storitve..). In če greva dalje gredo te subvencije posredno v večini trgovcem ali dobaviteljem teh sredstev, kmet pa za toliko ceneje te iste zadeve kupuje. Potrošnik na koncu verige kupuje drage prehrambene artikle, ker so vse subvencije ki jih je dala država - vsi davkoplačevalci, požrli trgovci vseh vrst z visokimi maržami, maržami, ki nimajo primere v Evropi. Ko ti bo to vse jasno pa udari po teh nekaj kmetih, ki še vztrajajo. Samooskrbe imamo še samo 30 % , počasi bomo še teh 30 % drago uvažali, krajino pa bo zaraslo grmovje.Torej kdo je kriv za takšno stanje ?
Največ pa je zaslužen za takšno stanje kmet sam. Ker zavestno dela izgubo. In živi od subvencije. Ne od dodane vrednosti. Ker subvencija mu je zagotovljena. Za dodano vrednost pa je potreben trud. In znanje. Tega pa nima.
*Vi so potrošniki.
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Samo poglej kdo je to na TV izjavil. Sami poklicani in
verodostojni. Ti bom kar kopiral prispevek Hrvatini-ja tu s Foruma.
Očitno te oddaje nisi gledal. Pa bi jo moral, ker mi odgovarjaš
površno, s floskulo. In kaj je še hujše. Slovenija ima 38%
samoprehranljivost; to pomeni da se ob izrednih razmerah in blokadi
ne moremo sami prehraniti in boš moral ti pojesti lastna ušesa, da
boš preživel. Zgrešeno do amena! Še enkrat poglej nasplet mrežo
Hoferjevi, Lidlovih, Šparovih trgovin p oceli Sloveniji in boš
videl kaj je propast Slovencev in kdo nas cuza. Pa zato ni bilo
treba porabiti niti ene istreljen krogle in nobene dražgoške bitke
ali Frankolovega! Ej , stari mom, razmisli kam smo prišli.
Evo ti :
Kako površno ! Naj Finance navedejo kako je s trgovskimi maržami pri nas in v EU !! Pri nas je trgovska marža velikanska- "avtor" te barabije je Zoran Jankovič !!
Ko je bil v Mercatorju je davil dobavitelje, vse po vrsti, najbolj pa peke...Od teh je zahteval nizko ceno, dostavo, super rabate na količino, dodatne rabate za točno in predčasno plačilo, vračilo vsega isti dan neprodanega kruha, pa še kaj...Ste slišali sinoči v Odmevih Srečka Čatra, ki je preprosto in jasno povedal, da dobi pekarna 44 centov, trgovec pa 76 centov za kruh, ki stane 1,20 evra. Zdaj pa pomislite koliko dajete trgovcu za kruh. Saj končna cena ni tako prevelika, kruh je v EU večinoma dražji, toda pek dobi premalo, kmet pa sploh totalno nič zaslužka, zato imamo samooskrbo le 30 %, pred 2o leti pa je bila 78%!!! Kakšne bodo šele jutri cene, ko bomo prav vse uvažali...To je problem za to usrano vlado, pa tudi Janševa ni nič naredila na tem področju !
Morali bi trgovcu dovoliti največ 30 % maržo pri DNEVNO PRODAJLJIVIH IZDELKIH, kmet pa bi moral dobiti bistveno več za pšenico in mleko, prav tako predelovalci. Kmetijstvo je velika šansa za zaposlitev, veliki kmetje s 1oo ha vendar ne morejo delati sami, razen kake koruze in pšenice, vse ostalo pa zahteva delovno silo !! Mleko, sadje, zelenjava, živina, vse drugo....Tisoče ljudi bi lahko zaposlili v kmetijstvu in posledično tudi v predelovalni, če bi NEHALI UVAŽATI VSE PO VRSTI. Ljudje naj jedo slovenska jabolka, ne pa avocado !! Slovenska pamet je bila največja ko so ljudje jedli jabolka, kakšna pa je ob avocadu, pa sami vidite....
Evo ti :
Kako površno ! Naj Finance navedejo kako je s trgovskimi maržami pri nas in v EU !! Pri nas je trgovska marža velikanska- "avtor" te barabije je Zoran Jankovič !!
Ko je bil v Mercatorju je davil dobavitelje, vse po vrsti, najbolj pa peke...Od teh je zahteval nizko ceno, dostavo, super rabate na količino, dodatne rabate za točno in predčasno plačilo, vračilo vsega isti dan neprodanega kruha, pa še kaj...Ste slišali sinoči v Odmevih Srečka Čatra, ki je preprosto in jasno povedal, da dobi pekarna 44 centov, trgovec pa 76 centov za kruh, ki stane 1,20 evra. Zdaj pa pomislite koliko dajete trgovcu za kruh. Saj končna cena ni tako prevelika, kruh je v EU večinoma dražji, toda pek dobi premalo, kmet pa sploh totalno nič zaslužka, zato imamo samooskrbo le 30 %, pred 2o leti pa je bila 78%!!! Kakšne bodo šele jutri cene, ko bomo prav vse uvažali...To je problem za to usrano vlado, pa tudi Janševa ni nič naredila na tem področju !
Morali bi trgovcu dovoliti največ 30 % maržo pri DNEVNO PRODAJLJIVIH IZDELKIH, kmet pa bi moral dobiti bistveno več za pšenico in mleko, prav tako predelovalci. Kmetijstvo je velika šansa za zaposlitev, veliki kmetje s 1oo ha vendar ne morejo delati sami, razen kake koruze in pšenice, vse ostalo pa zahteva delovno silo !! Mleko, sadje, zelenjava, živina, vse drugo....Tisoče ljudi bi lahko zaposlili v kmetijstvu in posledično tudi v predelovalni, če bi NEHALI UVAŽATI VSE PO VRSTI. Ljudje naj jedo slovenska jabolka, ne pa avocado !! Slovenska pamet je bila največja ko so ljudje jedli jabolka, kakšna pa je ob avocadu, pa sami vidite....
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Kdaj bo naslov v časopisih: V nasilnih protestih zaradi visokih cen
hrane ,padla slovenska vlada?
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[bc123a]Ja, ampak to, o čemer govoriš, ima vpliv samo na to, ali bo stal avto 9.999, 10.000 ali 10.001 EUR. Še vedno pa v avtu ne boš imel npr. ESP, ki ti lahko v nekaterih primerih reši življenje. Za to je pa treba doplačati še kakšen EUR, se pravi, kupiti avto za npr. 30.000 EUR. Se pravi, kvalitetnejši avto.
> [1021Tehni]
> Morda samo en primer, ki bo morda nekaterim bolj razumljiv: avto lahko kupiš za manj kot 10.000 EUR ali pa za več kot 30.000 EUR. Ve se, kaj dobiš v prvem primeru in kaj v drugem. In te avtomobile lahko kupiš pri enem, drugem, tretjem trgovcu...
>
> Podobna je tudi zgodba z živili in ostalim blagom. V veliki meri na ceno vpliva tudi kvaliteta (morda ne vedno, ampak pretežno). 'Malo para, malo muzike.' Pa naj si bo v Hoferju, Sparu ali Mercatorju.
Se malo razsirimo ta primer: ce ne bi v sloveniji vsi prodajalci avtov doziveli kolektivne lobotomije, bi imel tudi izbiro da enako kvaliteten avto kupis v salonu s preprogrami, marmorjem in kristalnimi lestenci, ali v tovarniski hali, ali pa celo samo po narocilu v eni pisarni brez razstavnega prostora. Seveda je jasno, da bo enako kvaliteten avto naceloma stal razlicno pri prodajalcih razlicnega sminkerskega nivoja.
V sloveniji na zalost taksna konkurenca pri avtih ne obstaja, zato pa obstaja pri hrani.
Celo vec, lahko kupis popolnoma zanic hrano v marmornatih palacah :)
Enako, predvidevam, je pri mleku. Verjetno je tisti za 0,58 ali 0,59 EUR (z več vode ali ne vem česa; morda je celo strupen, kdo ve?) slabše kvalitete od tistega za 1,09 ali 1,11.
In sploh ni rečeno, da trgovec več zasluži na avtu za 10k. In enako pri mleku!!!
Vse zgoraj so zgolj hipotetični in popolnoma izmišljeni primeri. ;-)