Vsi skladi, ki posojajo denar Sloveniji so pa neumni? Kam sploh meri avtor?

[lukey90]
Vsi skladi, ki posojajo denar Sloveniji so pa neumni? Kam sploh meri avtor?

A ti bi?

Ase ne spomniš kako je prva predsednica vlade centrala we ni mores tajme? Tu merim avtor. Od takrat na sebi nismo veliko naredili. So se pa okoliščine v nas prid obrnile.

Bi posodili denar Sloveniji?

Tu je razlika, ali denar Sloveniji posodi tujec ali domačin.
Posojen denar tujcev je do neke mere varen.
Domači dolg pa bodo verjetno nekoč (spet) poravnali kar z nacionalizacijo. Ne vem, katera po vrsti bo. Sem že nehal šteti.

Odgovor je najbrž nikalen. Oziroma bi vsaj moral biti. Če odmislimo mednarodno boniteto, pač dolžnik Slovenija ne zbuja posebnega zaupanja.

ponavadi se pri posojanju zaupanje ne meni binarno, temvec s stevilko o zahtevanih obrestih, v katero zlezejo razna pricakovanja posojilodajalca. kaksna je ta stevilka, se vidi, ko slovenija proda kaksne svoje papirje vlagateljem, ki niso iz slovenije.

zdaj a je ta splet ocen stvar tega, kaj da upnik misli o Pravi Resnicni Kvaliteti izdajatelja ali pa razmislja o tem, kdo bo v primeru pizdarije stopil zraven, kaksne ima sploh alternative za obljubljeni donos vec kot nic, etc... o tem lahko godrnjamo, vendar a) rezultata to ne spremeni in b) ne, to ni mozno samo v sloveniji. zelo dalec od tega.

obstaja pa en lep izrek "familiarity breeds contempt". ali ce skusam posloveniti, bolj od blizu ko poznas neko zadevo, manj jo maras, ker vedno bolj vidis vse kosmate plati. tu je po mojem vtisu kar precej razlike med pogledom na slovenijo od znotraj in od zunaj. in spet - to ni mozno samo v sloveniji. tako clovek funkcionira.

seveda cisto nic od povedanega ne pomeni, da je slovenija drzava s super javnofinancno sliko. gre samo za to, da v svoji sepavosti na eno in pol nogo ni ravno brez druzbe. kar je dovolj, da vseeno pritegne denar. mogoce ne tvojega (ker te sekira slovenija in particular) in mojega (ker me sekirajo drzavne obveznice in general), ampak pool vlagateljev po svetu je dosti vecji od mnozice tistih, ki gledajo slovenijo od znotraj.

V najbolj brutalni obliki si nekdo z denarjem kupi potni list in s tem dostop do gibanja po celotnem ozemlju Evropske unije. Sliši se malo perverzno, a sistem deluje na Malti.

deluje mislim da tudi na portugalskem, pa tudi na madzarskem, kjer imajo, kot kaze, pravzaprav radi tujce, vendar pod pogojem, da to ljubezen placajo. (nekje v tej ugotovitvi se skriva prostitucija :)

[janeztomazic]
Ase ne spomniš kako je prva predsednica vlade centrala we ni mores tajme?

a to se pogovarjamo o tej predsednici vlade, pod katero se je zgodil rekordni upad zahtevane om za slovenske obveznice :)

ja, vem, da to ni stvar nje, ampak tako pac je. razlika med teorijo in prakso je v tem, da v teoriji ni razlike, v praksi pa je.

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> [janeztomazic]
> Ase ne spomniš kako je prva predsednica vlade centrala we ni mores tajme?

a to se pogovarjamo o tej predsednici vlade, pod katero se je zgodil rekordni upad zahtevane om za slovenske obveznice :)

Clanek s svojimi bizarnim nerazumevanjem logike posojanja denarja (po moje se svabska gospodinja razume koncept obresti in junk bonds) sodi prej na Novo24TV kot v Finance.

Denar sem v pretekosti Sloveniji posojal s tem, da sem občasno kupil obveznice RS. Tudi, ko sem kupil delnice NKBM, je to bila pomoč Sloveniji, ki je bila lastnica te banke in je rabila sovlagatelje za dokapitalizacijo. Zadnjič sem posodil denar Sloveniji, ko sem kupil podrejene obveznice NLB, meneč, da zopet pomagam svoji državi čigar glavna banka, je rabila svež denar. A potem je ta država rekla, ne tebi pa denarja, ki si ga posodil ne bomo vrnili. Razglasili so zakon, z veljevnostjo za nazaj, da obveze iz prospekta obveznice ne veljajo in hkrati z zakonom prepovedala, da lahko za odvzete obveznice in delnice iščemo pravico na sodiščih. Obenem, pa je z davkoplačevalskim denarjem) velikodušno jamčila za vloge 2 propadlih privatnih privatnih bank v celoti in ne le do z zakonom predpisanega jamstva. Od takrat tej državi denarja več ne posojam in ga tudi nikoli več ne bom.

Ker ima naša država do te teme nekoliko zadržan odnos, bi se za začetek recimo lahko sistemsko ukvarjali s Slovenci, razkropljenimi po svetu, in jih prepričevali, naj denar vlagajo tu oziroma naj se vrnejo. Mislim, da tega doslej nihče ni počel sistemsko, pa bi lahko (ministrstvo za Slovence po svetu ni dovolj). Tako bi lahko v državo privabili milijone.

Ali bi Sloveniji posodili denar? Predlagam, da za trenutek zastanete in razmislite. Odgovor je najbrž nikalen. Oziroma bi vsaj moral biti.

... tako da bi ti slovenski izseljenci prisli, ravno hoteli vlozit, potem pa bi prebrali finance in rekli aja, kurc pol.

Tudi natanko to sem imel v mislih nekaj postov više, ko sem razlagal, da Slovenija svoje dolgove uredi z nacionalizacijo, n-tič.

[janeztomazic]
> [lukey90]
> Vsi skladi, ki posojajo denar Sloveniji so pa neumni? Kam sploh meri avtor?

A ti bi?

Ase ne spomniš kako je prva predsednica vlade centrala we ni mores tajme? Tu merim avtor. Od takrat na sebi nismo veliko naredili. So se pa okoliščine v nas prid obrnile.

... čuj, če bi jaz bil toti www.youtube.com/watc...6vi528gseA stric, bi še tebi posodil, kaj šele državi Sloveniji, ki če ne drugega ima vsaj vode v izobilju, voda pa bi naj kmalu postala "nova" nafta ...

Podobno razmišljam že vsaj 25 let. pa verjetno nisem edini. Ne vem pa, kako razmišljajo oni pri koritu.

Slovenija od Slovencev, ki se izselijo iz države, zahteva, da se znebijo vsega premoženja, preden lahko (z veliko muke in truda) uredijo izbris iz registra davčnih zavezancev. Ne vem, kako se lahko potem pričakuje, da bodo taisti Slovenci vlagali denar nazaj v slovenske nepremičnine in podjetja...

How naive. Slovenia is a country founded on its language. Yet it displays a cavalier disregard for other languages.

Well I've been trying to persuade Ptuj to stop wasting its money printing tourist information in Slovenglish. But they are resolute in their disdain.

This year the only candidate for head of Ptuj's tourism drive was paid a bunch of money, as part of a valiant battle against the economic monopoly of its smelly chicken factory.

She then got a second woman to do the brochures, etc., who isn't paid very much.

This second woman then contacted me to see if I would fix her English for nothing.

The second woman needed to conceal the identity of the first woman as the first woman mustn't suspect someone could do it better. The second woman had no budget to dispense on proofreading. Yet she thought of the first woman as a "client". The first woman expected the second woman to take care of the grammar and all that.

Someone needed to. I said no, I wouldn't do these richer and less able people's job of helping to line the town's pockets for nothing.

This smalltown tale shows how Ptuj tourism's first priority is to make sure everyone involved is - in the English marketing expression - treated like a cunt.

Especially foreigners. It is a paradigm of what Ptuj tourism really thinks. However I did send her an example of an item rewritten in a readable style.

But it was too rewritten, according to her. Everything had to be exactly as it was in the Slovene original, she said - no more, no less. Frankly I wouldn't want to be associated with something written in Slovenglish's usual dull and naive style.

Making Slovenia readable and interesting wasn't allowed. There was no correct way to fulfil the mission, and no allowable business relationship. Given this, erm, competitive atmosphere, I am hardly going to start and end an advertising business to do one brochure.

Near the end of the season I picked up the brochure and found the "client", who told me there was no job writing proper English for tourism in Ptuj. I revealed I'd found 93 errors in its English portion. It was nobody's fault, said the first woman. They'd only had two weeks to put the city's annual programme together.

Though my basic error check took about 20 minutes, that didn't seem to prove there hadn't been a job back in May, especially as many of the mistakes had been distributed virally onto the tourist map, leaflets, etc.

At this point the reputational effect in an open-plan office environment overcame any concerns about the future of Slovenglish and suddenly some more urgent matters arose.

They will do it all again next year. I want to help these poor people who imagine because they have passed an English exam checked by authority figures - who may have simply bought their own pass - that they have a complete grasp of western customer culture from the last 50 years. I wonder if you operate a different tourism destination in a similar state of denial?

To help you in assessing my offer of fixing your similarly comedic English, for the record, my office contains no trendy furniture. I do not wear a nice suit and I do not have nice legs or complicated facial hair.

I would welcome offers from any Občina as follows: invite me there as your all-expenses-paid guest. Show me what there is to see and do, and for a reasonable amount I will write useful texts for your every attraction.

What will be different about these texts? Everything. They will not be written from the perspective of a cheaply-available Slovenian student who once visited London for a week.

They will not bore us senseless, ooze coldness and insincerity, or spook people and their money with weird English like you normally do.

Then, instead of somebody doing their best and making a pig's ear of it like Ptuj and most other places in Slovenia worth visiting, your area will have a nice promotional piece for every one of all your venues and seasonal events which you can depend upon, and publish with confidence for years to come.

Other languages have their supporters too. Do you want your message to look right? Or is choosing the right colleagues more important than the actual result? Ptuj cared most of all about the money, and least of all about its actual message to the world. How naive.

Of course English-speaking tourists are not much interested in holidaying with slapdash providers and a written presentation of sloppy communications, deceit and incompetence are the first backwards step in preventing that money arriving.

If you want someone to write it properly who also speaks fluent Slovene I can tell you for free, you won't find that. That doesn't exist. I won't translate Slovenian advertising word-for-word because 95% of it isn't even advertising - or interesting.

Tourism Slovenglish appears to be a language determined to make everything as dull, static, and tedious-sounding as can be. This is probably out of fear of what the neighbours will say if someone starts showing off or trying to get more.

This overwhelmingly underwhelming approach suggests the authors lack a proper grasp of what is going on in the Anglophone reader's mind. Quite a bit more than they think.

Really, Anglophone tourism is too important to Slovenia for English-language copywriting to be left to Slovenians, whose spoken English is considerably more impressive.

But to suggest, as do businesses in Ptuj, that the first priority to be met in performing such a task is fluency in Slovene, well dream on, your educational method sucks - www.maria.si/learnin...lovene.htm

On the other hand, it will be very difficult for this message to travel through the tentacles of tourism, as the very people asked to explain its content - via the torpifyingly square world of Slovene - may worry they have the most to lose from disseminating this admonition regarding their dreary old ponudba's total absence of fizz and pop.

This in any case is not true, except insofar as they - but only they - can get paid exactly the same whether ten thousand tourists arrive...or ten. Ptuj is hoping for the ten, but with the spending power of the ten thousand. And illiterate would be good.